Football Quarterback Tournament: Round 1, Heat 2

**Rain Man** · 10-01-2012, 09:18 PM

Same drill as Heat 1. You need a quarterback for one game. You pick one and the other one goes to your opponent. Out of each pair, which one do you pick?

Bump · 10-01-2012, 09:21 PM

in before poll

**Rain Man** · 10-01-2012, 09:27 PM

To help out a little, here's the bio of Waterfield from the Hall of Fame site. He had two receivers that went to the Hall of Fame, Tom Fears and Elroy Hirsch. They were the Greatest Show On Turf before there was turf, averaging over 38 points per game in the 1950 season.

In the 1945 NFL Championship Game, Bob Waterfield threw 37- and 44-yard touchdown passes to lead the Cleveland Rams to a 15-14 victory over the Washington Redskins. That capped a season in which he was a unanimous All-NFL choice, and became the first rookie ever to win the league's Most Valuable Player.

Early in 1946, the Rams moved to Los Angeles. As the Rams quarterback – later splitting time with Norm Van Brocklin – Waterfield took the team to three straight title games, 1949-1951. The Rams won it all in 1951 with a 24-17 win over the Cleveland Browns in the title game.

As a passer, Waterfield was known for his ability to throw deep. He led the National Football League in passing in 1946 and 1951, finishing with career totals of 814 completions, 11,849 yards gained and 97 touchdown passes.

He was named first- or second-team All-NFL five times. One of the game’s most versatile players, he was also an ace defensive back for his first four seasons, a top punter with a 42.4 yard average, and a deadly place kicker. In eight seasons he totaled 573 points on 13 touchdowns, 315 PATs and 60 field goals.

For the next seven seasons, the Rams were pro football's most feared offensive team and Waterfield was the brilliant field general and precision passer who put points on the scoreboard. Always calm against even the greatest odds, he often led his team to come-from-behind victories.

In one 1948 game, the Rams fell behind eventual league champion Philadelphia 28-0. Waterfield rallied his team to a tie on four late touchdown passes. Waterfield proved to be a determined competitor in the pros. In the 1950 divisional playoff, although he was unable to practice all week because of the flu, he came off the bench and threw three touchdown passes in a 24-14 win over the Chicago Bears.

Psyko Tek · 10-01-2012, 10:12 PM

guessing montana wins unless you put lenny the cool in ti

Bump · 10-01-2012, 10:32 PM

Bradshaw and Moon close one. But Bradshaw has a ton of rings.

**patteeu** · 10-01-2012, 10:35 PM

Game 1: I despised Pittsburgh during the 70s so I wasn't a Bradshaw fan at all then. I like him as a commentator now though. I'm probably underrating Bradshaw because of my anti-Steeler bias, but I voted Warren Moon.

Game 2: I loved Steve Young. A friend of mine who knew him through Brigham Young told a story about how Young went to a party at Joe Montana's house when they were both with the 49ers and one of Joe's young kids said something to the effect of "Oh, you're the guy my dad doesn't like". LOL.

Game 3: Bob Waterfield sounds like a stud. Unfortunately, I didn't read the bio until after I voted for Jake Plummer. I like his gunslinger style and his confidence even if he was mistake prone.

Game 4: I'm starting to realize that I've always liked mobile QBs. I voted for Fran Tarkenton.

Game 5: Peyton Manning might not be as mobile as Joe Namath once was, but I'd rather have him running my team.

Game 6: I'm not a big Dan Marino fan, but he's better than Jim Hart was. I liked Hart better, but sometimes I can set aside my biases.

Game 7: This is another one that's not much of a contest, IMO. I'll go Drew Brees.

Game 8: When I was a wee lad in the 60s, I had a football outfit (helmet, pads, shirt) that was close in design to the Rams uniform. At the time, I thought I was a Rams fan and Roman Gabriel was the guy I imagined being when I got dressed up and ran around the house. But Joe Montana is the better QB.

cdcox · 10-01-2012, 10:46 PM

Easy round to vote except Bradshaw -- Moon.

Put Bradshaw on those Houston teams and he's not in the conversation. Put Moon on those Steeler teams and they still win 4 rings.

I went Moon.

**Rain Man** · 10-01-2012, 10:51 PM

Game 1: This is a tough one, but I went with Moon. I hope it's a little salve for that whole, "undrafted because you were black" thing. I think Moon doesn't get the credit he deserves for playing his peak years in the Yukon.

Game 2: Young is an easy choice over Brunell. Brunell was good, but Young at his peak was nearly unbeatable.

Game 3: Waterfield wins it for me even though I never saw him play. Or perhaps because I saw Jake Plummer play.

Game 4: Tarkenton is an easy win over Ferguson, though Ferguson was a fine quarterback.

Game 5: Manning has a reputation for choking big games, and Namath has a reputation for winning big games. However, I can't vote against Manning, unfortunately, despite his recent record of cheating.

Game 6: Jim Hart ran the Cardiac Cards, but c'mon. Dan Marino. You can't vote against Dan Marino.

Game 7: Brees over Everett. Do I need to say more?

Game 8: Roman Gabriel was the first "glamour quarterback" that I remember. He had a great name and he was the Rams' quarterback throwing the Jack Snow, who also had a great name. He made some appearances on TV shows, and seemed to have the whole act. And he has no prayer against Joe Montana.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-01-2012, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

Easy round to vote except Bradshaw -- Moon.

Put Bradshaw on those Houston teams and he's not in the conversation. Put Moon on those Steeler teams and they still win 4 rings.

I went Moon.

Moon is the easy answer here, IMO.

ThaVirus · 10-01-2012, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

At the time, I thought I was a Rams fan

GTFO.

Bump · 10-01-2012, 11:30 PM

Moon was badass, but c'mon. A QB with 4 rings vs a QB with 0 rings.

cdcox · 10-01-2012, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump

Moon was badass, but c'mon. A QB with 4 rings vs a QB with 0 rings.

Compare the number of Hall of Famers each QB had as team mates. Bradshaw didn't win those rings by himself. Bradshaw's career completion rate is below Cassel's. Different eras, but other than a season or two, I was never that impressed by Bradshaw.

SNR · 10-02-2012, 01:59 AM

Warren Moon will just have to wait until Rain Man does his poll of great CFL QBs. I'm sure he'll dominate then.

New World Order · 10-02-2012, 02:06 AM

There needs to be a Cassel/Elway game since there have been some who have drawn similarities between the 2.

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2012, 01:15 AM

Moving on are Bradshaw, Young, Waterfield, Tarkenton, PManning, Marino, Brees, and Montana. Poll closed.

View Poll Results: Pick the QB you would want from each matchup.
Game 1 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Terry Bradshaw	55	54.46%
Warren Moon	42	41.58%
Game 2 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Mark Brunell	5	4.95%
Steve Young	95	94.06%
Game 3 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Bob Waterfield	49	48.51%
Jake Plummer	44	43.56%
Game 4 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Joe Ferguson	2	1.98%
Fran Tarkenton	96	95.05%
Game 5 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Peyton Manning	89	88.12%
Joe Namath	10	9.90%
Game 6 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Dan Marino	97	96.04%
Jim Hart	2	1.98%
Game 7 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Drew Brees	95	94.06%
Jim Everett	4	3.96%
Game 8 (Don't click this.)	1	0.99%
Joe Montana	98	97.03%
Roman Gabriel	1	0.99%
I'd go with Grbac over all of these.	2	1.98%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

10-01-2012, 09:18 PM
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62677162	Quarterback Tournament: Round 1, Heat 2 Same drill as Heat 1. You need a quarterback for one game. You pick one and the other one goes to your opponent. Out of each pair, which one do you pick?
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10-01-2012, 09:21 PM	#2
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10-01-2012, 09:27 PM	#3
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62677162	To help out a little, here's the bio of Waterfield from the Hall of Fame site. He had two receivers that went to the Hall of Fame, Tom Fears and Elroy Hirsch. They were the Greatest Show On Turf before there was turf, averaging over 38 points per game in the 1950 season. In the 1945 NFL Championship Game, Bob Waterfield threw 37- and 44-yard touchdown passes to lead the Cleveland Rams to a 15-14 victory over the Washington Redskins. That capped a season in which he was a unanimous All-NFL choice, and became the first rookie ever to win the league's Most Valuable Player. Early in 1946, the Rams moved to Los Angeles. As the Rams quarterback – later splitting time with Norm Van Brocklin – Waterfield took the team to three straight title games, 1949-1951. The Rams won it all in 1951 with a 24-17 win over the Cleveland Browns in the title game. As a passer, Waterfield was known for his ability to throw deep. He led the National Football League in passing in 1946 and 1951, finishing with career totals of 814 completions, 11,849 yards gained and 97 touchdown passes. He was named first- or second-team All-NFL five times. One of the game’s most versatile players, he was also an ace defensive back for his first four seasons, a top punter with a 42.4 yard average, and a deadly place kicker. In eight seasons he totaled 573 points on 13 touchdowns, 315 PATs and 60 field goals. For the next seven seasons, the Rams were pro football's most feared offensive team and Waterfield was the brilliant field general and precision passer who put points on the scoreboard. Always calm against even the greatest odds, he often led his team to come-from-behind victories. In one 1948 game, the Rams fell behind eventual league champion Philadelphia 28-0. Waterfield rallied his team to a tie on four late touchdown passes. Waterfield proved to be a determined competitor in the pros. In the 1950 divisional playoff, although he was unable to practice all week because of the flu, he came off the bench and threw three touchdown passes in a 24-14 win over the Chicago Bears. __________________ Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, block right through that line. Block the ball clear down the field, a touchdown sure this time. Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we'll win this game.
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10-01-2012, 10:12 PM	#4
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10-01-2012, 10:32 PM	#5
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10-01-2012, 10:35 PM	#6
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $417255	Game 1: I despised Pittsburgh during the 70s so I wasn't a Bradshaw fan at all then. I like him as a commentator now though. I'm probably underrating Bradshaw because of my anti-Steeler bias, but I voted Warren Moon. Game 2: I loved Steve Young. A friend of mine who knew him through Brigham Young told a story about how Young went to a party at Joe Montana's house when they were both with the 49ers and one of Joe's young kids said something to the effect of "Oh, you're the guy my dad doesn't like". LOL. Game 3: Bob Waterfield sounds like a stud. Unfortunately, I didn't read the bio until after I voted for Jake Plummer. I like his gunslinger style and his confidence even if he was mistake prone. Game 4: I'm starting to realize that I've always liked mobile QBs. I voted for Fran Tarkenton. Game 5: Peyton Manning might not be as mobile as Joe Namath once was, but I'd rather have him running my team. Game 6: I'm not a big Dan Marino fan, but he's better than Jim Hart was. I liked Hart better, but sometimes I can set aside my biases. Game 7: This is another one that's not much of a contest, IMO. I'll go Drew Brees. Game 8: When I was a wee lad in the 60s, I had a football outfit (helmet, pads, shirt) that was close in design to the Rams uniform. At the time, I thought I was a Rams fan and Roman Gabriel was the guy I imagined being when I got dressed up and ran around the house. But Joe Montana is the better QB. __________________ Obamacare’s fix for an American health care system that the federal government long ago broke, is to give the federal government far more power over American health care; that its solution to escalating health costs is to mandate greater health benefits (and, hence, higher costs); and that its solution to the pricey overreliance on pre-paid health plans — offered by insurance companies in lieu of real insurance — is to have the government require Americans to buy those pre-paid health plans under penalty of law.
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10-01-2012, 10:46 PM	#7
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $1362766	Easy round to vote except Bradshaw -- Moon. Put Bradshaw on those Houston teams and he's not in the conversation. Put Moon on those Steeler teams and they still win 4 rings. I went Moon.
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10-01-2012, 10:51 PM	#8
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62677162	Game 1: This is a tough one, but I went with Moon. I hope it's a little salve for that whole, "undrafted because you were black" thing. I think Moon doesn't get the credit he deserves for playing his peak years in the Yukon. Game 2: Young is an easy choice over Brunell. Brunell was good, but Young at his peak was nearly unbeatable. Game 3: Waterfield wins it for me even though I never saw him play. Or perhaps because I saw Jake Plummer play. Game 4: Tarkenton is an easy win over Ferguson, though Ferguson was a fine quarterback. Game 5: Manning has a reputation for choking big games, and Namath has a reputation for winning big games. However, I can't vote against Manning, unfortunately, despite his recent record of cheating. Game 6: Jim Hart ran the Cardiac Cards, but c'mon. Dan Marino. You can't vote against Dan Marino. Game 7: Brees over Everett. Do I need to say more? Game 8: Roman Gabriel was the first "glamour quarterback" that I remember. He had a great name and he was the Rams' quarterback throwing the Jack Snow, who also had a great name. He made some appearances on TV shows, and seemed to have the whole act. And he has no prayer against Joe Montana. __________________ Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, block right through that line. Block the ball clear down the field, a touchdown sure this time. Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we'll win this game.
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10-01-2012, 11:30 PM	#11
Bump Legalize It Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boston sucks :( Casino cash: $53388	Moon was badass, but c'mon. A QB with 4 rings vs a QB with 0 rings. __________________ Marijuana is only illegal because it helps
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10-02-2012, 01:59 AM	#13
SNR You're all I have left, Copper Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $4528222	Warren Moon will just have to wait until Rain Man does his poll of great CFL QBs. I'm sure he'll dominate then.
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10-02-2012, 02:06 AM	#14
New World Order Game... Blouses Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $6766	There needs to be a Cassel/Elway game since there have been some who have drawn similarities between the 2.
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10-03-2012, 01:15 AM	#15
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62677162	Moving on are Bradshaw, Young, Waterfield, Tarkenton, PManning, Marino, Brees, and Montana. Poll closed. __________________ Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, block right through that line. Block the ball clear down the field, a touchdown sure this time. Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we'll win this game.
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