Football Quarterback Tournament: Round 1, Heat 4

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2012, 08:47 PM

Okay, final heat as we finish our top 64. There are some very interesting matchups in this heat.

cdcox · 10-03-2012, 08:58 PM

People need to take another look at Sammy Baugh. Four time first team all-pro. That means he was the dominant QB of his era. No one would come close to saying that about Drew Bledsoe.

Bump · 10-03-2012, 08:59 PM

YA Tittle
Craig Morton

who? lol I'll go with YA Tittle 'cause his name is funny

Bobby Layne
Boomer Esiason

Boomer! Largely in part because Boomer was awesome and shortly in part because I have no idea who Bobby Layne is

John Brodie
Big Ben

well Ben has won 2 out of 3 Superbowls, prettah prettah prettah good. And who the **** is John Brodie?

Phil Simms
Dave Krieg

Phill Simms fo sho

Drew Bledsoe
Sammy Baugh

tough one, but I'll go with the statue

Steve McNair
Len Dawson

you already know

Jim Plunkett
Dan Fouts

hmmmm, who's highlights have I seen more of on TV? Can't think of either, go with Plunkett just out of a gut feeling.

Norm Van Who?
Kurt Warner

Kurt Warner is a sure first ballot Hall of Famer and the most incredible story maybe in sports history.

cdcox · 10-03-2012, 09:02 PM

I voted Van Brocklin (10 pro bowls) over Kurt Warner due to consistency, but I wouldn't blame someone for taking Warner.

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2012, 09:23 PM

Game 1: Going with Tittle. It seems like he was pretty productive, and Craig Morton could never really establish himself as a long-term starter anywhere.

Game 2: I could go either way here, so I'll go with the old-school guy in Bobby Layne. Plus I'll bet he's got more interesting stories.

Game 3: This is a tough one. I view Brodie as being very similar to Len Dawson. He was a pretty legendary quarterback in San Fran just like Dawson is in KC. Unfortunately, Montana and Young have pushed Brodie out of the limelight. While I like him, though, I'm going with Roethlisberger in a one-game playoff. The rapist is going to get it done.

Game 4: Simms vs. Krieg. A big battle of meh. I'll vote for Simms because he had larger hands and fumbled less.

Game 5: Bledsoe vs. Baugh. How can you not go with Baugh? The guy is a legend. Bledsoe was good, but Baugh was great.

Game 6: C'mon. Lenny the cool against a guy who can't even dodge a bullet? Lenny wins.

Game 7: This was a tough one. I like Plunkett's story, but I never felt that he was a dominant player. On the other hand, I think Fouts was a system quarterback. I'd take Fouts in this matchup, but I'm not wowed by him.

Game 8: Van Brocklin is worthy and produced a lot of great offense, and doesn't he still hold the single-game passing record? However, Warner was a scoring machine and is perhaps my favorite non-Chiefs quarterback other than maybe Randall Cunningham. I'll go with Warner.

RJ · 10-03-2012, 09:45 PM

Screw Roethlisberger. Brodie was a top QB in his day, not to mention an excellent golfer.

Ebolapox · 10-03-2012, 09:48 PM

bobby layne and norm van brocklin are both underrated in this.

**Bwana** · 10-03-2012, 09:48 PM

Sammy Baugh was a beast.

Ebolapox · 10-03-2012, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwana

Sammy Baugh was a beast.

a hell of a punter as well, believe it or not.

**Bwana** · 10-03-2012, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h5n1

a hell of a punter as well, believe it or not.

He also played DB, Ones of his sons is a local judge here in Billings.

Baugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Baugh

mcaj22 · 10-03-2012, 09:52 PM

bobby layne threw a lot of picks lol

DJ's left nut · 10-03-2012, 09:54 PM

Tough, tough draw for Van Brocklin. Good QB, but Warner was the best pure passer of my lifetime.

Not always the best decisionmaker, certainly not the most dynamic or athletic guy. But if you give every QB on the field the same line, same WRs and same coverages, I'm confident that Warner would hit more of his WRs than the rest of them. His accuracy, especially downfield, was exceptional.

Ebolapox · 10-03-2012, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

bobby layne threw a lot of picks lol

so did sammy baugh. that was just a different era, man.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 10-03-2012, 11:26 PM

Where's Roman Gabriel? I loved that guy when I was kid. Bert Jones, too.

Man, if medicine were as advanced back then as it is today, we'd have a different view of QB's in the 70's. Pastorini, Jones, Namath, Cook, etc. and so on.

**Rain Man** · 10-04-2012, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where's Roman Gabriel? I loved that guy when I was kid. Bert Jones, too.

Man, if medicine were as advanced back then as it is today, we'd have a different view of QB's in the 70's. Pastorini, Jones, Namath, Cook, etc. and so on.

Gabriel was in an earlier heat, but didn't manage to beat his opponent, Joe Montana.

I too was a fan of Bert Jones, but he wasn't in the top 52 career passers. He's at 107, so he didn't make the tourney.

View Poll Results: Pick the QB you would want from each matchup.
Game 1 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Y.A. Tittle	61	77.22%
Craig Morton	11	13.92%
Game 2 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Bobby Layne	26	32.91%
Boomer Esiason	48	60.76%
Game 3 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
John Brodie	7	8.86%
Ben Roethlisberger	68	86.08%
Game 4 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Phil Simms	64	81.01%
Dave Krieg	11	13.92%
Game 5 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Drew Bledsoe	25	31.65%
Sammy Baugh	48	60.76%
Game 6 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Steve McNair	6	7.59%
Len Dawson	70	88.61%
Game 7 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Jim Plunkett	17	21.52%
Dan Fouts	59	74.68%
Game 8 (Don't click this.)	3	3.80%
Norm Van Brocklin	12	15.19%
Kurt Warner	66	83.54%
I'm waiting for the Kolb vs. Skelton matchup.	5	6.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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10-03-2012, 08:58 PM	#2
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $1362441	People need to take another look at Sammy Baugh. Four time first team all-pro. That means he was the dominant QB of his era. No one would come close to saying that about Drew Bledsoe.
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10-03-2012, 08:59 PM	#3
Bump Legalize It Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Boston sucks :( Casino cash: $53011	YA Tittle Craig Morton who? lol I'll go with YA Tittle 'cause his name is funny Bobby Layne Boomer Esiason Boomer! Largely in part because Boomer was awesome and shortly in part because I have no idea who Bobby Layne is John Brodie Big Ben well Ben has won 2 out of 3 Superbowls, prettah prettah prettah good. And who the **** is John Brodie? Phil Simms Dave Krieg Phill Simms fo sho Drew Bledsoe Sammy Baugh tough one, but I'll go with the statue Steve McNair Len Dawson you already know Jim Plunkett Dan Fouts hmmmm, who's highlights have I seen more of on TV? Can't think of either, go with Plunkett just out of a gut feeling. Norm Van Who? Kurt Warner Kurt Warner is a sure first ballot Hall of Famer and the most incredible story maybe in sports history. __________________ Marijuana is only illegal because it helps
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10-03-2012, 09:02 PM	#4
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $1362441	I voted Van Brocklin (10 pro bowls) over Kurt Warner due to consistency, but I wouldn't blame someone for taking Warner.
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10-03-2012, 09:23 PM	#5
Rain Man Welcome, Eric Fisher & Friends Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 1.61 KM high city Casino cash: $62676428	Game 1: Going with Tittle. It seems like he was pretty productive, and Craig Morton could never really establish himself as a long-term starter anywhere. Game 2: I could go either way here, so I'll go with the old-school guy in Bobby Layne. Plus I'll bet he's got more interesting stories. Game 3: This is a tough one. I view Brodie as being very similar to Len Dawson. He was a pretty legendary quarterback in San Fran just like Dawson is in KC. Unfortunately, Montana and Young have pushed Brodie out of the limelight. While I like him, though, I'm going with Roethlisberger in a one-game playoff. The rapist is going to get it done. Game 4: Simms vs. Krieg. A big battle of meh. I'll vote for Simms because he had larger hands and fumbled less. Game 5: Bledsoe vs. Baugh. How can you not go with Baugh? The guy is a legend. Bledsoe was good, but Baugh was great. Game 6: C'mon. Lenny the cool against a guy who can't even dodge a bullet? Lenny wins. Game 7: This was a tough one. I like Plunkett's story, but I never felt that he was a dominant player. On the other hand, I think Fouts was a system quarterback. I'd take Fouts in this matchup, but I'm not wowed by him. Game 8: Van Brocklin is worthy and produced a lot of great offense, and doesn't he still hold the single-game passing record? However, Warner was a scoring machine and is perhaps my favorite non-Chiefs quarterback other than maybe Randall Cunningham. I'll go with Warner. __________________ Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, block right through that line. Block the ball clear down the field, a touchdown sure this time. Onward Fisher, Onward Fisher, fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we'll win this game.
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10-03-2012, 09:45 PM	#6
RJ Bon vivant....occasionally. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $3132	Screw Roethlisberger. Brodie was a top QB in his day, not to mention an excellent golfer.
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10-03-2012, 09:48 PM	#7
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Casino cash: $18671636	bobby layne and norm van brocklin are both underrated in this.
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Bwana GONE FISHING Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2107518201	Sammy Baugh was a beast. __________________ A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one... you'll probably never need one again.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Casino cash: $44259	bobby layne threw a lot of picks lol
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10-03-2012, 09:54 PM	#12
DJ's left nut Gonna take a break for awhile. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $34546	Tough, tough draw for Van Brocklin. Good QB, but Warner was the best pure passer of my lifetime. Not always the best decisionmaker, certainly not the most dynamic or athletic guy. But if you give every QB on the field the same line, same WRs and same coverages, I'm confident that Warner would hit more of his WRs than the rest of them. His accuracy, especially downfield, was exceptional. __________________ It's my own fault for expecting the Titanic to beat the iceberg this year. Pussies.
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10-03-2012, 11:26 PM	#14
DoucheMcCloud Band Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10099614	Where's Roman Gabriel? I loved that guy when I was kid. Bert Jones, too. Man, if medicine were as advanced back then as it is today, we'd have a different view of QB's in the 70's. Pastorini, Jones, Namath, Cook, etc. and so on.
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