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Old 10-03-2012, 07:42 PM  
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who won the presidential debate?

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Old 10-04-2012, 12:56 PM   #316
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A lot of liberals still paint Romney as the Romney they want him to be.
I find the $5 trillion tax cut argument funny in this regard. Romney has said he intends to raise taxes by closing loopholes as part of an overall strategy to broaden the pool of taxpayers and increase economic growth.

I was really hoping Romney would point out to Obama last night that the "Clinton" tax increase he loves so much (and mistakenly claims is responsible for the balanced budget and economic growth of the late 90's) was overcome with the tax cuts he enacted in 1997. What happened? You got more revenue from the tax. Obama really doesn't seem to understand the concept that taking capital out of the markets = slower growth = less jobs = less tax revenue. It's almost laughable.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:01 PM   #317
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Only 58,000,000 people watched.
And, according to one poll, 80% of those people who watched (46.4 million) said the debate changed their opinion of Romney for the better.

Let's see if it shows up in the polls. Is this performance, combined with the enormous amount of advertising the Romney campaign is starting in the Battleground states, enough to move 3% of Obama's soft support to him? Who knows, but if so, Romney wins Florida, Virginia, Iowa, Colorado, Ohio, Nevada, and New Hampshire and takes the election.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:02 PM   #318
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So, he's not.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:03 PM   #319
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Only 58,000,000 people watched.
Wow, really?
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:08 PM   #320
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... Obama really doesn't seem to understand the concept that taking capital out of the markets = slower growth = less jobs = less tax revenue. It's almost laughable.
Trickle-down is Gospel to conservatives; too bad it's far from the whole story. There are times when trickle-down seemed to work, like in the 80s.

However, one needs only to look at record corporate profits during the last couple years, combined with dramatic increases in income for those in the top 2 or 3 percent...juxtaposed with declining real income for nearly all working and middle class folks, and stagnant job growth to understand the real truth of trickle-down. So much for reinvestment and expansions, right?
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:09 PM   #321
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I hate to refer to Obama as a Socialist or as a Communist because those are very inflammatory words, and the people you're trying to convince often stop listening when those words get thrown around.

However, it did occur to me while watching last night's debate that Obama TRULY believes that he has all the answers and that the best economy is a planned economy where he and like-minded people are the central planners.

That was the main difference between their answers regarding the role of government. Romney wants the government to get the hell out of the way so the private sector can create jobs. Obama says you can't trust the private sector and that you should trust him instead.

That's an awfully scary path to go down.
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Any notion that our country is headed toward anything close to true central planning is apoplectic hyperole spewed by ignorant ideogues who don't actually understand what communism, socialism, and a true planned economy are, in real terms. Toss your EIB degree, go take a Poli Sci 101 class. Seriously.
No, you need to get your head out of your ass and quit being so ignorant about what has been going on for the last four years. We're talking about an administration that took over General Motors and told it how to run its business. He told it which divisions to close, and he told it that he wants to see one million electric cars on the streets by 2015. He is systematically taking over health care, he is determined to push the idiotic Cap & Trade policies in via the back door despite the fact that Congress resoundingly rejected it, and he is now dictating exactly what must go into school lunches.

That's called central planning, and it's taking place because we have an egomaniac in the White House who thinks he knows better than anyone what everyone should do. Don't let your unwavering support of all things Obama blind you to reality.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:10 PM   #322
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Wow, really?
Yep. That's up 11% from the first debate four years ago. For reference, a record 130,000,000 people voted in 2008.
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Romney = Deficits are unsustainable and need to be addressed immediately.

That's enough for me.
What exactly is Mr. Goldman Sachs going to do to lower the deficit?
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No, you need to get your head out of your ass and quit being so ignorant about what has been going on for the last four years. We're talking about an administration that took over General Motors and told it how to run its business. He told it which divisions to close, and he told it that he wants to see one million electric cars on the streets by 2015. He is systematically taking over health care, he is determined to push the idiotic Cap & Trade policies in via the back door despite the fact that Congress resoundingly rejected it, and he is now dictating exactly what must go into school lunches.

That's called central planning, and it's taking place because we have an egomaniac in the White House who thinks he knows better than anyone what everyone should do. Don't let your unwavering support of all things Obama blind you to reality.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:22 PM   #325
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No, you need to get your head out of your ass and quit being so ignorant about what has been going on for the last four years. We're talking about an administration that took over General Motors and told it how to run its business. He told it which divisions to close, and he told it that he wants to see one million electric cars on the streets by 2015. He is systematically taking over health care, he is determined to push the idiotic Cap & Trade policies in via the back door despite the fact that Congress resoundingly rejected it, and he is now dictating exactly what must go into school lunches.

That's called central planning, and it's taking place because we have an egomaniac in the White House who thinks he knows better than anyone what everyone should do. Don't let your unwavering support of all things Obama blind you to reality.
Seriously. Go take a Poli Sci 101 class....and, then, regurgitate those GOP talking points with a straight face.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:23 PM   #326
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No, you need to get your head out of your ass and quit being so ignorant about what has been going on for the last four years. We're talking about an administration that took over General Motors and told it how to run its business. He told it which divisions to close, and he told it that he wants to see one million electric cars on the streets by 2015. He is systematically taking over health care, he is determined to push the idiotic Cap & Trade policies in via the back door despite the fact that Congress resoundingly rejected it, and he is now dictating exactly what must go into school lunches.

That's called central planning, and it's taking place because we have an egomaniac in the White House who thinks he knows better than anyone what everyone should do. Don't let your unwavering support of all things Obama blind you to reality.
That's not how it happned but please keep making up narratives in your head. It shows how much of a moderate you are.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:24 PM   #327
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The funniest part for me was afterwards when Carville of all people even had to admit that Romney won.
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Only 58,000,000 people watched.
That's nice. How many people do you think are going to change their vote based on it?

The least likely people to watch the debate are the most likely to change their vote.
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That's not how it happned but please keep making up narratives in your head. It shows how much of a moderate you are.

In today's GOP, anything to the left of the Tea Party fascist plutocracy they are peddling is "moderate."
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