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Old 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM  
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who won the presidential debate?

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Old 10-04-2012, 03:05 PM   #346
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:08 PM   #347
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A lot of liberals still paint Romney as the Romney they want him to be.

Romney has always been a moderate. That's what I've found so funny about the 'mittens' attacks and things of that nature. Romney's as centrist a Republican as you're ever going to find. And yet, they continue to try to hammer him as this far right wing-nut so that he's easier to pillory. And then they'll say things like "Of course I'm not an ideologue, it's just that the Republicans won't offer any sort of reasonable candidate..."

Huh? Romney is the embodiment of a centrist, 'reasonable' candidate. Occasionally he'll say something like the 47% quip and the libs eat it up as another elitist comment, but the fact is that he simply did a really shitty job of articulating what is a fairly moderate viewpoint re: the fear of the rise of entitlement programs. You honestly don't think the working middle-class thinks about that sort of thing? Afterall, if it's the 99% vs. the rich 1%, well I guess that leaves about 52% in between that 47% and the 1% that probably aren't real excited about the rise of the entitlement class.

Romney is exceedingly centrist in almost everything. In fact, if you slapped a D after his name, he'd be considered little more than a southern Democrat.

Yet now we have to hear this nonsense about his hard lean to the middle. Gimme a break, folks. What you saw last night is the real Romney, not the painted up caricature of Gordon Gecko that the Democrats desperately want to run against.
I agree with this analysis in all respects except that I don't think the term "moderate" is very useful (even though I think it's fair in at least some sense when used on Romney). Most of his positions are conservative, but not extremely so. He's pro-life, but he'd return abortion to the states through better SCOTUS nominations rather than support a constitutional ban. He's pro-low-rate, broad-base, growth-oriented tax reform, but he's not for going all the way to a flat tax. He's for a more market-based solution to our healthcare issues, but he's not for a laissez-faire health care market. Etc., etc.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:09 PM   #348
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C'mon, pat. They'd be calling him a RINO regardless. It's what they do, and it's all they know.
You're right. I forgot that his name wasn't Paul.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:10 PM   #349
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But Obama, who some thought came across as stern and professorial, and Democrats can take comfort in a central idea: Romney, who trails by significant margins in some key battleground states — including Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — needed to record a decisive win.
And that didn’t happen.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/04...#storylink=cpy
He's getting eviscerated in the replies to his article.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/04...ut-theres.html
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:12 PM   #350
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In today's GOP, anything to the left of the Tea Party fascist plutocracy they are peddling is "moderate."
And with today's Democrats, anyone to the right of Mao is a fascist.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:13 PM   #351
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Read, and learn. This guy understands, precisely, what is going on...

Prof. Sheldon Wolin (Princeton) calls it inverted totalitarianism. That is, we vote to maintain a corporate oligarchy.....having an illusion of democracy....with the only real option being voting to maintain government that no longer functions on behalf of the people. A system. that requires no overt repression as long as the illusion of democracy is maintained.

His book, "Democracy, Inc." is an interesting though upsetting read.
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"Democracy is struggling in America--by now this statement is almost cliché. But what if the country is no longer a democracy at all? In Democracy Incorporated, Sheldon Wolin considers the unthinkable: has America unwittingly morphed into a new and strange kind of political hybrid, one where economic and state powers are conjoined and virtually unbridled? Can the nation check its descent into what the author terms "inverted totalitarianism"?


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Old 10-04-2012, 03:15 PM   #352
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No, it was actually a serious question. You seem to have some rather harsh opinions on privately and publicly-owned businesses
He doesn't hate all businesses. Just the successful ones.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #353
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Private enterprise and the free market are essential to our national prosperity; however, so is reasonable restraints on corporate and elitist exploitation and greed.
I see. You'd like to put a limit on the amount of profit that corporations? If so, what profit margin do you find to be acceptable?
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:20 PM   #354
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He's getting eviscerated in the replies to his article.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/04...ut-theres.html
You aren't kidding.
I liked this one:

Naturally, this rag would call the debate a tossup. As Dennis Miller said, "Obama better hope a kicked ass is covered under Obamacare."
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:21 PM   #355
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I see. You'd like to put a limit on the amount of profit that corporations? If so, what profit margin do you find to be acceptable?
He should be thankful for their profits since their tax dollars pay his salary
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:21 PM   #356
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A republic is representative democracy. For most, it's the only real democracy. Hence, they are synonymous.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:23 PM   #357
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A republic is representative democracy. For most, it's the only real democracy. Hence, they are synonymous.
if it were a democracy, airhead Gore would have been President and abortion would be illegal but I get your point
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The Taiwanese have spoken. It was an ass kicking. Hillarious:

I love the snap kick to obama's face for the knock out at the end.
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According to most conservative ideologues these days, it seems... any attempt by government aimed at regulation, accountability measures, or safeguards against the excesses and abuses of unfettered and completely "free market" capitalism are, well....by definition, communism. Communism, I say!
Without any idea of what "restraints" or "regulation" is being imposed on the free market / private sector and whether or not they are over reaching or sensible I don't know how anyone can take the stance that you have. How could you know, being an educator? Don't feel bad, this president doesn't have a clue either.

Barney's throw the baby out with the bathwater reform is a free market killer, Romney knows it and so does every business person out there that deals with it.

Romney said regulation is necessary but it must be sensible.
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