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Old 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM  
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So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:54 PM   #106
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That. Not drafting Dalton. Or Russel Wilson. Or even ****ing Osweiler.

Or hell, even giving Stanzi or Quinn a shot. It has been readily apparent for 2 years now that Cassel is detrimental to this team. You might as well find out what you have in your other investments (Quinn, Stanzi) and move on.
Overrated. Overrated. I was hoping Osweiler would have gotten a look but more in the 3rd round.

Dalton is Cassel, maybe just slightly better but not by much. He's not going to lead the Bengals anywhere.

Wilson is still living off of his preseason fame while being mediocre at best and terrible the rest of the time.

RG3 was out of reach for the Chiefs simply because their draft position was 11th.

Tannehill is the one QB you could say the Chiefs had a shot at.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:54 PM   #107
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So you agree? The 27 TD, 7 INT guy should've been cut after his Pro Bowl season?

Wow. I admit I didn't watch the games, but I think that'd be a first in NFL history...
If you go back and read the posts, many of us were hoping he was gone. We were hoping he would be traded to McDaniels in Denver since he actually wanted him also.

Those stats were bullshit, and many of us knew it from watching the games. A real QB, with that schedule and Jamaal Charles would have rewritten record books.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:54 PM   #108
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Nothing. Pioli is yet another innocent victim subjected to the savage, moronic fans in KC. Once there are some new fans, and Cassel is surrounded by fresh smelling sea sponges, we'll be able to evaluate these two miracles from NE.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM   #109
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM   #110
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Nothing. Pioli is yet another innocent victim subjected to the savage, moronic fans in KC. Once there are some new fans, and Cassel is surrounded by fresh smelling sea sponges, we'll be able to evaluate these two miracles from NE.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:55 PM   #111
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Hey gang, so Atisone Kenneth Seiuli was clearly the wrong guy, but what should Eddie Murphy have done?
really, no one?

am i that old....
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:56 PM   #112
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Trading for Cassel wasn't that bad. If he turns into a franchise guy you've made a good deal.

The real problem is not even attempting to have a plan B. Our plan B last year was Tyler Palko... to me that's just as bad as having Cassel as a starter. If your QB goes down, which he did... your backup didn't have the arm strength to throw a 20 yard out. Now maybe he fixed that problem this year... we're about to find out with Quinn on Sunday. But he's a huge question mark. He couldn't beat out Tebow... or even Orton.

That's pretty much been Pioli's problem across the board though. As much as people want to rip Belichick, and yeah Brady is the Patriot Way and all that... Belichick was still able to get decent performances out of backup players when starters got hurt. We haven't come close to approaching that level of depth and consistency here.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #113
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If you had actually watched the games instead of looking at stats, you wouldn't be asking this question.

This. I bitched at MC all of 2010 when we were winning and he had his "pro-bowl season".
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:58 PM   #114
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Trading for Cassel wasn't that bad. If he turns into a franchise guy you've made a good deal.

The real problem is not even attempting to have a plan B. Our plan B last year was Tyler Palko... to me that's just as bad as having Cassel as a starter. If your QB goes down, which he did... your backup didn't have the arm strength to throw a 20 yard out. Now maybe he fixed that problem this year... we're about to find out with Quinn on Sunday. But he's a huge question mark. He couldn't beat out Tebow... or even Orton.
Pioli has always had a plan B. The problem is that this plan is to shelter Cassel at all costs. Plan A, of course, being that Cassel actually does something worth a shit to deserve his spots on the roster and depth chart.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:00 PM   #115
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:02 PM   #116
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Dalton is Cassel, maybe just slightly better but not by much. He's not going to lead the Bengals anywhere.
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You're a tard.

When has Cassel ever done this?



Dalton is completing 66 percent of his passes this year.

COME ON, MAN.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:02 PM   #117
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Overrated. Overrated. I was hoping Osweiler would have gotten a look but more in the 3rd round.

Dalton is Cassel, maybe just slightly better but not by much. He's not going to lead the Bengals anywhere.

Wilson is still living off of his preseason fame while being mediocre at best and terrible the rest of the time.

RG3 was out of reach for the Chiefs simply because their draft position was 11th.

Tannehill is the one QB you could say the Chiefs had a shot at.
Dalton helped an under-achieving Bengals team with Cedric Benson as their RB make it to the playoffs as a rookie playing in the AFCN. . Dalton isn't Tom Brady, but making the playoffs in a division that has the Ravens and Pitt making it as well means you're above adequate.

Wilson still looks better than Cassel as a 3rd round rookie who is a midget.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:03 PM   #118
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Honestly don't think any power on earth could've gotten the Lions to trade the Stafford pick or the Rams the Bradford pick. Those teams finished last and their fans would've gone ape if they gave up a future QB stud no matter what the package.

Agreed on Orton. That was a pretty obvious mistake.
Some of Cassels problems have been HC, staff instability and turnover. (another Piioli issue since he's failed twice at HC) He's never been superb, but he's obviously regressed and lost confidence since 2010. Haley and Weis got the absolute best they could have gotten from him and hes fallen apart since Weis bolted. Because he lacks physical gifts, he has little margin for error. He absolutely cannot turn the ball over because he doesn't have the arm to recover.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:04 PM   #119
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There was no clear cut home run Pioli missed but that's not the point for Chiefs fans. The last thing Chiefs fans wanted was another teams backup or has been QB. Chiefs fans are starving for our own drafted franchise QB. We'd rather go down with one of "our own" then someone elses castoff. We thought that we wre in position to draft a QB with a new regime coming in and starting a rebuild from the ground up. Well that didn't happen and the rest is history. It's been ugly on this forum every since but this place is just the tip of the iceburg.

I would think a new GM would take a hard look at his fanbase before making any big decisions. Pioli should have known he was screwed with this fanbase if he brought in Cassel and didn't attempt to draft a franchise QB.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:07 PM   #120
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Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.
Its the failure to give up like Phil said. Anyone that has watched Cassel preform that has a modicum of football IQ can tell this is not a guy that is a starting QB. Even Shannon Sharpe said this guy can't play.

But Pioli has forced out one head coach and will probably cost another head coach his job because they had no chance at all. Being stuck with Cassel is like having a 7 high hand in poker and going all in. Its demonstrably stupid.
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