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Old 10-15-2012, 01:54 PM  
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The Opposite of a Direckshun Thread

Consider this chart from powerlineblog.com. The left bar is what has been described by Obama's supporters as a "huge recovery". They generally don't talk about the right bar.

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Old 10-20-2012, 08:33 AM   #151
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Deflection and nuance make you look bad, you should really just stop.

Saying someone is making stuff is calling them a liar, plain and simple.

You were not saying, but you were saying......so quit lying and trying to deny it.
Agreed. Which is why I didn't say that.

You could be lying about your voting record, as I suspect you are. But I can't prove it, so I don't know it.

If that, to you, is an unequivocable accusation of lying that you just can't let slide, then with all due respect, learn to read and/or get the sand out of your vagina.
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:54 AM   #152
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Agreed. Which is why I didn't say that.

You could be lying about your voting record, as I suspect you are. But I can't prove it, so I don't know it.

If that, to you, is an unequivocable accusation of lying that you just can't let slide, then with all due respect, learn to read and/or get the sand out of your vagina.
Liar...you used those exact words.

Simple question...did you or did not post the following:

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but I feel like he's making shit up about his voting record.
Just because you like the courage to stand behind your thoughts, and tried to do it in a backhanded way, does not let you off the hook.

If you think I am liar, submit your proof or shut the **** up.

You are a heartless partisan coward, and everyone on the forum clearly sees it.

For a topic that you supposedly just want to go away, you can't let it go without the last word.

Liars don't get the last word.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:31 PM   #153
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Liar...you used those exact words.

Simple question...did you or did not post the following:
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but I feel like he's making shit up about his voting record.
Buddy, I'm trying to help you out here. I don't feel like you're telling the truth, but at no point in this thread have I claimed that's actually what's happening. I've only claimed that I feel like and I suspect that that's happening.

Those are two different claims.

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You are lying.
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I feel like you're lying.
Are two different claims.

If you claim that I have "definitively" accused you of lying, then you're wrong.

Simple as that.

I said the latter. You keep arguing as if I said the former.

Courage doesn't have anything to do with it, accuracy does. If you're going to misinterpret what I'm saying and use that misinterpretation to feed a Hulk Smash piss-frenzy, then that's on you. But you're misunderstanding me.

I don't know you're lying, I suspect you're lying.

Neither one of us can prove it either way, which is why these kinds of arguments ("who did you vote for!?") are useless.

I've tried to warn you several times, and here we are like a million posts later, and you're lost your temper:

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What Republicans have ever even ****ing voted for?
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Just because you like the courage to stand behind your thoughts
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shut the **** up.
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I will get out the hammer of your own dishonesty and hypocrisy and smote you with it.
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You are a heartless partisan coward
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You shut the **** up.
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Liars don't get the last word.
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Hypocritshun
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Again..answering the ****ing question
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I have the truth on my side, and I can be ****ing stubborn, especially with dishonest partisan hacks like you.
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**** you.
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HAVE YOU EVER VOTED FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN A DEMOCRAT IN A MAJOR ELECTION, AND IF SO, WHO WAS THAT YOU VOTED FOR?
So, don't say I didn't warn you.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:38 PM   #154
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They are not two different claims when they are publicly spoken. You know that. Anyone with common sense would read what you wrote and say...I think Direckshun is calling him a liar.

Nuance is not serving you well here.

By the way.....Have you ever voted for anyone other than a Democrat in a major election?

You still won't answer the question. You so desperately want to be seen as non-partisan, and you know your answer to this question would destroy that image. Of course, what you fail to realize is that no one sees you as anything other than an extreme partisan Democrat.

I am sure you will start another one of your "Really guys, Obama is a moderate centrist" threads here pretty soon to try to prop up your image.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:39 PM   #155
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They are not two different claims when they are publicly spoken. You know that.
What on earth are you talking about?

Explain this to me. I honestly have no idea what this means.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:42 PM   #156
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What on earth are you talking about?

Explain this to me. I honestly have no idea what this means.
You know exactly what it means.

What you posted was the equivalent of "I'm not saying he is a liar, but I am saying his is a liar."

Which is the same thing as saying "He is a liar, but I do not have the courage to come right out and say it"

Surely someone as nuanced as you can see that.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:43 PM   #157
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What you posted was the equivalent of "I'm not saying he is a liar, but I am saying his is a liar."

Which is the same thing as saying "He is a liar, but I do not have the courage to come right out and say it"
No, it's not the equivalent of it.

It's saying that I suspect, rather than know.

Then you are taking offense because you believe I'm saying I know.

Suspecting and knowing are different, right?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:46 PM   #158
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No, it's not the equivalent of it.

It's saying that I suspect, rather than know.

Then you are taking offense because you believe I'm saying I know.

Suspecting and knowing are different, right?
You said that you did not take me at my word. Where I come from, that is calling someone a liar.

Keep spinning. I will never let you have the last word on this.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:52 PM   #159
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You said that you did not take me at my word. Where I come from, that is calling someone a liar.
I'm sorry but "where I came from miseducated me" is not a valid excuse.

Suspecting something and knowing something are different.

You wasted all that energy on choosing to think I said the latter when I said the former.
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:56 PM   #160
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I'm sorry but "where I came from miseducated me" is not a valid excuse.

Suspecting something and knowing something are different.

You wasted all that energy on choosing to think I said the latter when I said the former.
So what does not taking someone at their word mean to you then?
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So what does not taking someone at their word mean to you then?
It means they need evidence before they believe you.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:08 PM   #162
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It means they need evidence before they believe you.
If you do not believe...that what you are told must not true, ergo, a lie.

Just be honest, for once, instead of trying to spin it.

You tried to turn the original question back on me, and when I answered in a way that did not fit your preconceived notions, you had to attack and call it a lie, as you need to desperately avoid the question that was asked of you.

You know, the question you refuse to answer, because you know your answer will show how much of a partisan hack you are.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:55 PM   #163
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If you do not believe...that what you are told must not true, ergo, a lie.
What I'm told could be untrue, and therefore a lie. But I'm not certain.

Once again: there's a difference between suspecting and knowing, is there not?

This isn't hard to understand. God.
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What I'm told could be untrue, and therefore a lie. But I'm not certain.

Once again: there's a difference between suspecting and knowing, is there not?

This isn't hard to understand. God.
Ahhh....but you did not say you were uncertain. You said I made it up.

Changing your story?
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You said I made it up.

Changing your story?
Nope. I said (and still say) that you could be making it up.
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