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Old 10-15-2012, 01:54 PM  
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Consider this chart from powerlineblog.com. The left bar is what has been described by Obama's supporters as a "huge recovery". They generally don't talk about the right bar.

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:47 AM   #61
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Says the partisan asshole.

I admit, I have gotten more conservative as I have gotten older. I used to be a liberal Democrat in high school (supported Dukakis in the mock election, before I could actually vote.)

Here is my Presidential voting record...you can call me a liar if you want, but I think more people will believe my honest answers than your lack of answers:
(My first Presidential election was 1992)

92: Clinton
96: Clinton
00: Gore (Lived in MN for this one, was very undecided, and MN was going Gore by a wide, wide margin, I gave him some credit for being part of the Clinton team. After seeing him go of the greed edge after this election, I am kind of glad he did not win, but that is a whole other topic.)
04: Bush
08: McCain
12: Romney

As you can see, there is some variety in my Presidential choices. I have this sneaky feeling that we would be in agreement in 92,96, and 00, but probably not in 04,08, and certainly not in 12.

How does your Presidential ballot look since 1992? I bet you won't answer that. You lack the courage to actually admit who you cast your vote for.

So am I a partisan shill? I suppose you could argue that, since on the major issues over the last few years I have leaned Republican.

But, you could also argue against it given my voting history, and the fact that I have already admitted that there is at least one Democrat I am voting for in November. I have also posted that I am very undecided in the MO Senate race. McCaskill does not deserve another term, but Akin has done some very stupid things as well. I do not like either one of them.

I think you can make a solid case I am partisan in this election cycle. Your case that I am a shill....not so much. But at least I am honest and straight forward, unlike you, who hides between catch phrases rhetoric, and cannot even answer a simple direct question.
I don't believe you. Sorry. And neither of us can prove it one way or the other. To me, you sound just like every other Republican who believed that Clinton was, like Obama is now, the end of America as we know it. Now that history shines on him favorably you're tripping all over yourself to pretend that insanity never happened. It'll happen again here in another decade with Obama, I'm sure.

Them's the breaks. Neither of us can prove it. Which is why this is a pretty stupid line of questioning. But I've already made that point.

You're a partisan shill, of which you've just admitted. You can't name a single thing the President's done well, either because you're stupendously deluded or you're just taking one for the team.

There is no nuance in what you post. Just straightforward Hannity-approved attack lines.

You can have at it, and all that jazz. I'm not stopping you. But assuming you don't want to be referred to as a partisan asshole, I've got a bite-sized piece of advice: stop acting like one.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:57 AM   #62
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I don't believe you. Sorry. And neither of us can prove it one way or the other. To me, you sound just like every other Republican who believed that Clinton was, like Obama is now, the end of America as we know it. Now that history shines on him favorably you're tripping all over yourself to pretend that insanity never happened. It'll happen again here in another decade with Obama, I'm sure.

Them's the breaks. Neither of us can prove it. Which is why this is a pretty stupid line of questioning. But I've already made that point.

You're a partisan shill, of which you've just admitted. You can't name a single thing the President's done well, either because you're stupendously deluded or you're just taking one for the team.

There is no nuance in what you post. Just straightforward Hannity-approved attack lines.

You can have at it, and all that jazz. I'm not stopping you. But assuming you don't want to be referred to as a partisan asshole, I've got a bite-sized piece of advice: stop acting like one.
Ah, yes...when you are losing, go on the attack.

Thems not the breaks. I know I told the truth, and that is good enough. I know you do not have the courage to tell the truth, because you won't answer the question. Those that read the posts will be able to tell who was truthful and who wasn't.

I find it astonishing that you do not think it is possible for someone's politics to change and evolve over time. I think most on this forum would admit that their politics are not the same as they were 20 years ago.

You are the liar. By avoiding the question, you are being intentionally deceitful. Deep down you know it too. But you will try to make yourself feel better by slinging some insults my way, and then starting a bunch of threads that you think make you look non-partisan. Those threads, of course, will fail miserably, as everyone in this forum can clearly see what you are in this thread.

Have a Nice Day Liarshun!
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:03 AM   #63
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Ah, yes...when you are losing, go on the attack.

Thems not the breaks. I know I told the truth, and that is good enough. I know you do not have the courage to tell the truth, because you won't answer the question. Those that read the posts will be able to tell who was truthful and who wasn't.

I find it astonishing that you do not think it is possible for someone's politics to change and evolve over time. I think most on this forum would admit that their politics are not the same as they were 20 years ago.

You are the liar. By avoiding the question, you are being intentionally deceitful. Deep down you know it too. But you will try to make yourself feel better by slinging some insults my way, and then starting a bunch of threads that you think make you look non-partisan. Those threads, of course, will fail miserably, as everyone in this forum can clearly see what you are in this thread.

Have a Nice Day Liarshun!
Oh, I'm sure I'm always losing. No need to remind me of my feeble attempts to withstand the avalanche of your superior reasoning. I'm just happy to be in the room.

Unlike yourself, I have little interest in what other people think, including the folks reading this thread. You claim to be a shill. While claiming that you're not. Then admit that you act like one. But you're not one, you swear, citing a bunch of unprovable bullshit from what you allege to be your voting record. Because lying on the internet would truly go against the morals of a guy who claims Obama's done nothing but evil.

Not impressed. Bored by it, honestly.

Your actions speak louder than words. And they are screaming "partisan asshole."

Just embrace it, brother. Turn that shit up to 11 and rip off the knob.

Because I really am bored by this.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:14 AM   #64
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Oh, I'm sure I'm always losing. No need to remind me of my feeble attempts to withstand the avalanche of your superior reasoning. I'm just happy to be in the room.

Unlike yourself, I have little interest in what other people think, including the folks reading this thread. You claim to be a shill. While claiming that you're not. Then admit that you act like one. But you're not one, you swear, citing a bunch of unprovable bullshit from what you allege to be your voting record. Because lying on the internet would truly go against the morals of a guy who honestly believes Obama's done nothing but evil.

Not impressed. Bored by it, honestly.

Your actions speak louder than words. And they are screaming "partisan asshole."

Just embrace it, brother. Turn that shit up to 11 and rip off the knob.

Because I really am bored by this.
See...I never claimed to be a shill. I never claimed not to be a shill. Folks around here can decide that for themselves. And they can decide if they think I am being honest.

You never answer any questions. You love to ask them, and expect the questions that you ask to be answered...but you do not have the courage to answer a simple question when it is put to you.

If you have never voted for a R, just admit it. Hell, most folks on this forum already think that anyway, so just be honest about it. You look dishonest when you avoid simple questions. I think you would rather been seen as a liar, rather than a short sighted partisan who has blindly voted for D all his adult life (which is how you would be perceived if you were to actually answer the question posed to you).

Call me a liar all you want Liarshun. Maybe I should call you Hyprocritshun instead of Liarshun. That might be more accurate.

Oh, and by the way...you absolutely care how people on this forum see you. You have great interest in it. Your actions scream much louder than your denials.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:37 AM   #65
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See...I never claimed to be a shill. I never claimed not to be a shill. Folks around here can decide that for themselves. And they can decide if they think I am being honest.

You never answer any questions. You love to ask them, and expect the questions that you ask to be answered...but you do not have the courage to answer a simple question when it is put to you.

If you have never voted for a R, just admit it. Hell, most folks on this forum already think that anyway, so just be honest about it. You look dishonest when you avoid simple questions. I think you would rather been seen as a liar, rather than a short sighted partisan who has blindly voted for D all his adult life (which is how you would be perceived if you were to actually answer the question posed to you).

Call me a liar all you want Liarshun. Maybe I should call you Hyprocritshun instead of Liarshun. That might be more accurate.

Oh, and by the way...you absolutely care how people on this forum see you. You have great interest in it. Your actions scream much louder than your denials.
You've said all this already.

I could reply... but I'd just be repeating my previous post.

The bottom line is, even you admit that your posting is one-sided, hyperactively partisan, and pretty much a one-note horn.

But you claim that this isn't how you "really" are, as evidenced by your voting pattern.

Which you swear is true, based on the same intellectual honesty that says Obama's the goddamn devil, I could honestly give two shits what you swear.

Which is why this is a stupid conversation to have.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:43 AM   #66
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stupid?

who gives a shit if it's stupid...

it's the only entertainment at this time of night...
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:44 AM   #67
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You've said all this already.

I could reply... but I'd just be repeating my previous post.

The bottom line is, even you admit that your posting is one-sided, hyperactively partisan, and pretty much a one-note horn.

But you claim that this isn't how you "really" are, thanks to your voting pattern.

Which you swear is true, based on the same intellectual honesty that says Obama's the goddamn devil, I could honestly give two shits what you swear.

Which is why this is a stupid conversation to have.

Now, now, you are being dishonest again. I stated that I was partisan in this election cycle, and I articulated why.

Also, I have never said Obama is evil. I have never said he was not born in this country, or any of the other tin foil hat crap that sportshrink posts all the time. All I have said is that he has been a horrible President, on par with Jimmy Carter in terms of how successful his administration has been.

The Democratic party is moving more and more to the left. I am getting older and moving more to the right....especially after having children, my perspective on many things has changed (my first daughter was born in 2000).

Call it stupid all you want...you are the one who looks foolish for not answering the simple question that has been put to you...as you said earlier to me...crank it up to 11, embrace it...admit that you have never voted for an R in your life. You claim to be bored...but you always have an insult to hurl...why not just end the conversation by answering the question?
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:45 AM   #68
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stupid?

who gives a shit if it's stupid...

it's the only entertainment at this time of night...
Heh.

Which is why we've had it this long, I guess.
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stupid?

who gives a shit if it's stupid...

it's the only entertainment at this time of night...
It is entertaining to watch Liarshun squirm....not sure why he just can't admit he has been a stalwart, straight ticket voting liberal D for his whole life. Maybe he is ashamed of his voting record...maybe he voted for Bob Dole or something, I don't know.
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Now, now, you are being dishonest again. I stated that I was partisan in this election cycle, and I articulated why.

Also, I have never said Obama is evil. I have never said he was not born in this country, or any of the other tin foil hat crap that sportshrink posts all the time. All I have said is that he has been a horrible President, on par with Jimmy Carter in terms of how successful his administration has been.

The Democratic party is moving more and more to the left. I am getting older and moving more to the right....especially after having children, my perspective on many things has changed (my first daughter was born in 2000).
But even Jimmy Carter accomplished at least a few good things. It's intellectually bankrupt to argue that Obama has not accomplished a single good thing. That's as close to evil as you're going to get without attaching horns to his head -- you honestly can't think of a single desireable quality of the President or his administration. What word, exactly, would you attach to it if it's done nothing but spread badness?

This is how I know you're full of shit on the Clinton bullshit: Obama's administration is farther to the right than Clinton's was. It was farther to the right on healthcare, on taxation, on foreign policy, etc. Clinton was further to the left, yet you've allegedly voted for him twice, but not Obama because Obama is radical? Mmmmkay.

You've admitted you've posted in a hilariously one-sided fashion over the past four years. You've admitted you are a partisan. You've admitted that you honestly believe there is nothing positive about Obama or his administration.

That's what matters to me. Not some super-serial pinky-swear that you voted for a Democrat once. Who gives a shit.
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It is entertaining to watch Liarshun squirm....not sure why he just can't admit he has been a stalwart, straight ticket voting liberal D for his whole life. Maybe he is ashamed of his voting record...maybe he voted for Bob Dole or something, I don't know.
I never could figure out how "a theoretical conclusion based on the data available" is different from an assumption, in your eyes.

Care to explain? Because I absolutely loved that.
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But even Jimmy Carter accomplished at least a few good things. It's intellectually bankrupt to argue that Obama has not accomplished a single good thing. That's as close to evil as you're going to get without attaching horns to his head -- you honestly can't think of a single desireable quality of the President of his administration. What word, exactly, would you attach to it if it's done nothing but spread badness?

This is how I know you're full of shit on the Clinton bullshit: Obama's administration is farther to the right than Clinton's was. It was farther to the right on healthcare, on taxation, on foreign policy, etc. Clinton was further to the left, yet you've allegedly voted for him twice, but not Obama because Obama is radical? Mmmmkay.

You've admitted you've posted in a hilariously one-sided fashion over the past four years. You've admitted you are a partisan. You've admitted that you honestly believe there is nothing positive about Obama or his administration.

That's what matters to me. Not some super-serial pinky-swear that you voted for a Democrat once. Please.

The bolded statement is complete and utter bullshit. You can argue all you want that Obama is a centrist, but no one on this forum, no one buys this argument. Hell, Hilary is more to the left than Bill, and she wasn't far enough to the left to get the party nomination.

Why can't I think of any positive Obama has done? Probably because I am not better off than I was four years ago. The country is swimming in debt, people are making less money, or have no job at all, and the neccessities of life have gone up significantly in cost....food, fuel, health insurance (with Obamacare doing nothing to help), you name it. I look at that, and I can't see anything that is better. I just don't see it. Everything his administration touts as positive seems to be a product of political spin. Change is needed. I have been in the "anyone but Obama" camp for awhile now.

Anyhow, if you want to continue to live in your dreamworld where Obama magically represents the center, go right ahead. But I can tell you, no one in the center buys it, and it is starting to show in the polls. Romney is connecting with the center, and if he connects in the second debate like he did the first, then I think Obama's re-election bid will be dealt a serious blow.
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The bolded statement is complete and utter bullshit. You can argue all you want that Obama is a centrist, but no one on this forum, no one buys this argument. Hell, Hilary is more to the left than Bill, and she wasn't far enough to the left to get the party nomination.

Why can't I think of any positive Obama has done? Probably because I am not better off than I was four years ago. The country is swimming in debt, people are making less money, or have no job at all, and the neccessities of life have gone up significantly in cost....food, fuel, health insurance (with Obamacare doing nothing to help), you name it. I look at that, and I can't see anything that is better. I just don't see it. Everything his administration touts as positive seems to be a product of political spin. Change is needed. I have been in the "anyone but Obama" camp for awhile now.

Anyhow, if you want to continue to live in your dreamworld where Obama magically represents the center, go right ahead. But I can tell you, no one in the center buys it, and it is starting to show in the polls. Romney is connecting with the center, and if he connects in the second debate like he did the first, then I think Obama's re-election bid will be dealt a serious blow.
Sorry to hear you're doing worse off, or at least not better off. And I won't argue that there aren't still major holes in this economy and our country.

But that's not the argument I'm making. I'm saying you've admitted that there is nothing positive about Obama or his administration. That's different than merely saying Obama didn't perform up to your expectations and therefore you shall be voting Republican. Your remarks are more extreme and absolutist than that.

Once again: you've admitted there is nothing positive about Obama or his administration.

Not one thing.

Are you going to stand by that? Or are you going to admit that you're just saying shit because it sounds nice, and there's at least 1 positive thing can be attributed to the President or his administration over the past four years?
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Hey Direckshun, why won't you answer the question?

It sounds like you are refusing to answer the question because you have never voted for a Republican.

Anyone who has never voted for a Republican is a partisan shill for the Democrats, just as anyone who has never voted for a Democrat is a partisan shill for the Republicans. If that's what you are, you should at least own it instead of running away from it and denying it.

Here's a news flash: NEITHER party is perfect. NEITHER party has all the answers.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:12 AM   #75
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Are you going to stand by that? Or are you going to admit that you're just saying shit because it sounds nice, and there's at least 1 positive thing can be attributed to the President or his administration over the past four years?
I'll answer your question. One positive thing that Obama has accomplished is that Osama bin Laden was killed under his watch.
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