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Old 10-20-2012, 08:53 PM  
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:41 AM   #16
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Can't wait to go to war against Iran, because we wont allow them to have nukes. Yet we help Israel acquire them. Eventually they will get nukes anyway...and boy will they pissed after we had taken them to war destroying their villages and killing their women and children.
No, we didn't. And, you really aren't attempting to equate Israel and Iran, right?
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:46 AM   #17
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Can't wait to go to war against Iran, because we wont allow them to have nukes. Yet we help Israel acquire them. Eventually they will get nukes anyway...and boy will they pissed after we had taken them to war destroying their villages and killing their women and children.
Israel and Iran and now equals? We need to treat them the same?
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #18
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Why don't we go to war with Israel? They have nukes. What about Russia? China? All we continue to do is piss off iran and Muslims more and more. Its not worth it if it jeopardizes our safety, and it does. You either blow up the ENTIRE middle east, which obviously is not an option in todays world, or you let them fight their own ffights and stay the fuk outta it
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:20 PM   #19
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Why don't we go to war with Israel? They have nukes. What about Russia? China? All we continue to do is piss off iran and Muslims more and more. Its not worth it if it jeopardizes our safety, and it does. You either blow up the ENTIRE middle east, which obviously is not an option in todays world, or you let them fight their own ffights and stay the fuk outta it
Isolationism is an option in 2012?
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Why don't we go to war with Israel? They have nukes.
Because they are a democracy. Believe in the free enterprise system. Close to us culturally. Support us politically. Provide intelligence on threats to us. I could keep going on with this list for awhile but you already know all this.
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What about Russia? China?
uhhhhh Mutually Assured Destruction.
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All we continue to do is piss off iran and Muslims more and more.
Yeah, worrying about pissing off Muslims should be the deciding factor on our middle eastern policy? South Park or some asshole posts a you tube video and they get pissed off. If they cant learn how Democracy works or don't want to, we need to try to educate them. That doesn't work, **** em. I'm not in favor of censorship even if it means war.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:54 PM   #20
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Why don't we go to war with Israel? They have nukes. What about Russia? China? All we continue to do is piss off iran and Muslims more and more. Its not worth it if it jeopardizes our safety, and it does. You either blow up the ENTIRE middle east, which obviously is not an option in todays world, or you let them fight their own ffights and stay the fuk outta it
Uh, because they are a friend and ally.
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Why don't we go to war with Israel? They have nukes. What about Russia? China? All we continue to do is piss off iran and Muslims more and more. Its not worth it if it jeopardizes our safety, and it does. You either blow up the ENTIRE middle east, which obviously is not an option in todays world, or you let them fight their own ffights and stay the fuk outta it
Great idea broski! I agree. Take the muzzle off Israel and let them do what they do best.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:07 PM   #22
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Great idea broski! I agree. Take the muzzle off Israel and let them do what they do best.
The Muslim countries all believe that any attack on Iran by Israel would have to had the USA's blessing and would hold us just as accountable as the country that dropped the bombs.

The impression/preception is that Israel would have already bombed the nuclear plants in Iran if the U.S. hadn't blocked/asked them not use military force. If they do bomb them, we will be blamed.

If it comes to the military option. We need to do it ourselfs and not use a proxy.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:07 PM   #23
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Uh, because they are a friend and ally.
O, I get it. Being the all mighty powerful US we get to tell which countries are allowed to have nukes and which ones are not allowed. We get to run around policing the world telling some countries they can do something, and others they cannot. Surely this isn't why the rest of the world hates us. Even as a free thinking Iranian without a religious agenda, I'd hate the United States too.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:10 PM   #24
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The Muslim countries all believe that any attack on Iran by Israel would have to had the USA's blessing and would hold us just as accountable as the country that dropped the bombs.

The impression/preception is that Israel would have already bombed the nuclear plants in Iran if the U.S. hadn't blocked/asked them not use military force. If they do bomb them, we will be blamed.

If it comes to the military option. We need to do it ourselfs and not use a proxy.
Yeah, absolutely. We made our own bed. Maybe if we don't provide support to any Middle Eastern countries for the next decade we will be removed from the effects of their affairs.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #25
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Uh, because they are a friend and ally.
Yeah, sure. Pals.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:14 PM   #26
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O, I get it. Being the all mighty powerful US we get to tell which countries are allowed to have nukes and which ones are not allowed. We get to run around policing the world telling some countries they can do something, and others they cannot. Surely this isn't why the rest of the world hates us. Even as a free thinking Iranian without a religious agenda, I'd hate the United States too.
Are you even aware that Iran signed the NPT?
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Yeah, sure. Pals.
As much as any other friend and ally, sure.
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Are you even aware that Iran signed the NPT?
By choice?
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By choice?
Yes, of their own accord.
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As much as any other friend and ally, sure.
Correct, as it should be. Soverign countries should do what is in the best interests of their country. Would we not go agaisnt a "ally" if it was against our own best interests?

But, in this case, it's clearly we are on the same page on this issue, it;s in the USA's and Israel's best interests that Iran doesn't get a nuclear bomb.
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