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Old 10-20-2012, 07:53 PM  
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Possible Progress on Iran

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Old 10-21-2012, 12:26 PM   #31
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Either way, any attempts at a diplomatic solution is a good thing. It may be political pandering but at least Obama is willing to sit down and talk about it.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:30 PM   #32
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Either way, any attempts at a diplomatic solution is a good thing. It may be political pandering but at least Obama is willing to sit down and talk about it.
To go to war without even attempting to resolve the issues face to face would be a travesty and foreign policy malpractice.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:32 PM   #33
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Either way, any attempts at a diplomatic solution is a good thing. It may be political pandering but at least Obama is willing to sit down and talk about it.
The problem with limitless diplomacy is that if Iran has decided to enrich to WG, all they need is time.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:36 PM   #34
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The problem with limitless diplomacy is that if Iran has decided to enrich to WG, all they need is time.
Thats why you would place a time limit on the talks. Stalling until its a mel cupa is not going to be an option.

If this is true, it may just be a pure PR move directed at the Iranian people. The economy is getting really bad in the streets.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:37 PM   #35
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A couple weeks from election and right before the debate on foreign policy this appears. All the news that's fit to print
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:38 PM   #36
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A couple weeks from election and right before the debate on foreign policy this appears. All the news that's fit to print
I dont think this is coming from us, its the Iranians for their own political reasons. JFC, this opinion is based on public information.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:51 PM   #37
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I dont think this is coming from us, its the Iranians for their own political reasons. JFC, this opinion is based on public information.
JFC you don't think there was any reach out involved here?
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:20 PM   #38
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JFC you don't think there was any reach out involved here?
reach out?

more like reach around...
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:23 PM   #39
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To go to war without even attempting to resolve the issues face to face would be a travesty and foreign policy malpractice.
Does it really make a difference to you if we're meeting them face to face with other people at the table or not? We've been attempting to resolve the issues face to face for ten years. You really think having the other parties to the P5+1 leave the room is going to make a difference?
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Thats why you would place a time limit on the talks. Stalling until its a mel cupa is not going to be an option.

If this is true, it may just be a pure PR move directed at the Iranian people. The economy is getting really bad in the streets.

Hopefully, the Iranian people finally rise up, take to the streets, and we can support them against their totalitarian leadership...

Oh wait...
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:27 PM   #41
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A couple weeks from election and right before the debate on foreign policy this appears. All the news that's fit to print
I personally don't think so. How does this benefit Obama? Way too easy to paint him with the stupid brush thinking that engaging Iran is a good thing -- although Dick Durbin was on TV this morning claiming just such a thing so who knows?
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:53 PM   #42
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I personally don't think so. How does this benefit Obama? Way too easy to paint him with the stupid brush thinking that engaging Iran is a good thing -- although Dick Durbin was on TV this morning claiming just such a thing so who knows?
I wonder if Obama on Iran circa 2008 will come up tomorrow?
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:39 PM   #43
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The Muslim countries all believe that any attack on Iran by Israel would have to had the USA's blessing and would hold us just as accountable as the country that dropped the bombs.

The impression/preception is that Israel would have already bombed the nuclear plants in Iran if the U.S. hadn't blocked/asked them not use military force. If they do bomb them, we will be blamed.

If it comes to the military option. We need to do it ourselfs and not use a proxy.
It was meant as TIC but since you took it seriously, I agree. It will be on us no matter what happens. Might as well do it ourselves...
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I personally don't think so. How does this benefit Obama? Way too easy to paint him with the stupid brush thinking that engaging Iran is a good thing -- although Dick Durbin was on TV this morning claiming just such a thing so who knows?
I think it was the good old late game surprise. Now Barry can parade around in the debate claiming he is making progress. He had nothing going in except a scandal. Suddenly he is provided with a change the subject story. It is a little too well timed to be bought on face value IMO~
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I dont think this is coming from us, its the Iranians for their own political reasons. JFC, this opinion is based on public information.
It was an Iranian Hail Marry to help Obama get elected. Buys more time for their agenda if it can be a talking point in the general election.

Will the American people buy into it is the next question ? We know all the Obots will! Buying more time for the Iranians to align themselves with NPT is what their agenda is all about. Having & getting more WG enrichment ready to have a greater bargaining power with the P5.
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