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Old 10-23-2012, 12:23 AM  
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"We can't kill ourselves out of this mess."

Was it just me, or did Mitt Romney say something brilliant and prescient?

****ing applause for the man. Easily his wisest line of the entire election season.

Not even kidding.

Mitt Romney, talking about the war on terror, just rejected every ounce of neoconservativism, drone-reliant warfare of civilian casualties to kill battle-aged men in countries full of brown people.

This is something foreign policy doves have been saying since the turn of the millenia. To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.

I think this was the best line of the debate. Bar none. And it's something that's been long overdue out of the mouth of a national-level Republican.

I think Obama won the debate and all that jazz, but credit where it's due. Romney found a winner of a line and an idea. I hope it finds a way to spread.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #46
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I didn't make excuses for their charter.

I didn't justify it.

I didn't claim I was a moderate.

But other than that, you're doing great.
You did justify their charter, by saying it was just 'cynical politics' instead of acknowledging the facts of it. THAT is justification. That IS an excuse.

Sorry for assuming you were a moderate...You are a radical then?
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #47
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I didn't make any predictions 4 years ago.
You didn't believe, four years ago, that Obama was destined to weaken America from 2008 to 2012?
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:54 PM   #48
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You did justify their charter, by saying it was just 'cynical politics' instead of acknowledging the facts of it. THAT is justification. That IS an excuse.

Sorry for assuming you were a moderate...You are a radical then?
That's not a justification.

That's not an excuse.

Moderate and radical aren't the only two options.

But other than that, you're doing great.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:57 PM   #49
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You didn't believe, four years ago, that Obama was destined to weaken America from 2008 to 2012?

I wasn't sure what to believe four years ago but today I believe what I posted. Obama is going to weaken our country all the way around, militarily, politically and financially.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:59 PM   #50
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I wasn't sure what to believe four years ago but today I believe what I posted. Obama is going to weaken our country all the way around, militarily, politacly and financially.
M'alright.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #51
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You did justify their charter, by saying it was just 'cynical politics' instead of acknowledging the facts of it. THAT is justification. That IS an excuse.

Sorry for assuming you were a moderate...You are a radical then?
Is it a justification or is it an excuse? Inquiring minds must know.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #52
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That's not a justification.

That's not an excuse.

Moderate and radical aren't the only two options.

But other than that, you're doing great.
You are slippery little weasel, but you are fooling NO ONE.

To look at Charter 13 and say 'it is just cynical politics' is MAKING AN EXCUSE. Look it up in a dictionary, you are EXCUSING and JUSTIFYING a horrible position.

I realize that part of your game plan is just attacking whole taking absolutely NO stance whatsoever. This kind of thing is typical from Hamas supporters and apologists like yourself.

You can't come out and agree that the Hamas Charter is awful, and the basis for a large percent of the problems in the middle east currently....so instead you whinge and cry and simply wriggle out of having to take any stand whatsoever..instead of simply stating that you agree with the Hamas charter and hope for the destruction of Israel.

How can any reasonable person reading the things you write come to any other conclusion? Not once have you denounced the charter or even said "hey you know what, article 13 is pretty god damn scary" or anything like that...

All you have is excuse after excuse and justification piled on justification.

Im against illegal occupation in Palestine, it has to stop.

But you know what? I can simply read the hamas charter, article 13 IN THEIR OWN WORDS and also come to the conclusion that it is a HUGE part of the problem.

Can you?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:01 PM   #53
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Is it a justification or is it an excuse? Inquiring minds must know.
Thats because you're too dumb to know they are essentially the same thing....
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:02 PM   #54
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Thats because you're too dumb to know they are essentially the same thing....
Is that right? Whatever difference there is, doesn't matter, eh?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:04 PM   #55
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Is that right? Whatever difference there is, doesn't matter, eh?
Shut the **** up and stop derailing the argument....start a new thread about the differences between making an excuse for something and justifying it, and I will come running...

Until then:

You ever read the Hamas Charter? Article 13? The intro?

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Seem pretty awesome to you?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:07 PM   #56
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You are slippery little weasel, but you are fooling NO ONE.

To look at Charter 13 and say 'it is just cynical politics' is MAKING AN EXCUSE. Look it up in a dictionary, you are EXCUSING and JUSTIFYING a horrible position.

I realize that part of your game plan is just attacking whole taking absolutely NO stance whatsoever. This kind of thing is typical from Hamas supporters and apologists like yourself.

You can't come out and agree that the Hamas Charter is awful, and the basis for a large percent of the problems in the middle east currently....so instead you whinge and cry and simply wriggle out of having to take any stand whatsoever..instead of simply stating that you agree with the Hamas charter and hope for the destruction of Israel.

How can any reasonable person reading the things you write come to any other conclusion? Not once have you denounced the charter or even said "hey you know what, article 13 is pretty god damn scary" or anything like that...

All you have is excuse after excuse and justification piled on justification.

Im against illegal occupation in Palestine, it has to stop.

But you know what? I can simply read the hamas charter, article 13 IN THEIR OWN WORDS and also come to the conclusion that it is a HUGE part of the problem.

Can you?
It is insanely cynical politics.

That doesn't justify or excuse the position.

The charter is awful. I do denounce it.

And I'm glad to hear that you're against the illegal occupation of Palestine.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #57
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Shut the **** up and stop derailing the argument....start a new thread about the differences between making an excuse for something and justifying it, and I will come running...
No thanks!
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:13 PM   #58
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It is insanely cynical politics.

That doesn't justify or excuse the position.

The charter is awful. I do denounce it.

And I'm glad to hear that you're against the illegal occupation of Palestine.
Well , insane is correct...but to describe Martyr Operations and random rocket attacks against civilians as 'cynical politics' (you added the insane only just now) is also insane, IMO.

To not step up and call it out for what it is , is the height of hypocrisy.

Sending rockets and suicide attacks is not 'cynical politics' just as murdering innocent Palestinians isn't self defense.

The sooner both sides be more honest the sooner we can have peace.....

The biggest obstacle is the Hamas Charter..(IMO) you can minimize this by saying its just cynical politics, but it really HAS to go. There is no way for Israel to negotiate any kind of real, lasting peace with this charter in existence.....

If the Palestinian people CHOOSE to have Hamas as their leaders, then they will be choosing this charter. The charter can NOT lead to peace, only can it lead to war. Cynical politics or "War HAwks" or whatever you wish to call it....it will lead to more war only.

The way out is for them to send Hamas Packing or for Hamas to re-do the charter.
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he even has his own winning version of logic and a unique appreciation of facts...

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