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Old 10-23-2012, 12:23 AM  
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"We can't kill ourselves out of this mess."

Was it just me, or did Mitt Romney say something brilliant and prescient?

****ing applause for the man. Easily his wisest line of the entire election season.

Not even kidding.

Mitt Romney, talking about the war on terror, just rejected every ounce of neoconservativism, drone-reliant warfare of civilian casualties to kill battle-aged men in countries full of brown people.

This is something foreign policy doves have been saying since the turn of the millenia. To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.

I think this was the best line of the debate. Bar none. And it's something that's been long overdue out of the mouth of a national-level Republican.

I think Obama won the debate and all that jazz, but credit where it's due. Romney found a winner of a line and an idea. I hope it finds a way to spread.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:16 PM   #61
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Well , insane is correct...but to describe Martyr Operations and random rocket attacks against civilians as 'cynical politics' (you added the insane only just now) is also insane, IMO.

To not step up and call it out for what it is , is the height of hypocrisy.

Sending rockets and suicide attacks is not 'cynical politics' just as murdering innocent Palestinians isn't self defense.

The sooner both sides be more honest the sooner we can have peace.....

The biggest obstacle is the Hamas Charter..(IMO) you can minimize this by saying its just cynical politics, but it really HAS to go. There is no way for Israel to negotiate any kind of real, lasting peace with this charter in existence.....

If the Palestinian people CHOOSE to have Hamas as their leaders, then they will be choosing this charter. The charter can NOT lead to peace, only can it lead to war. Cynical politics or "War HAwks" or whatever you wish to call it....it will lead to more war only.

The way out is for them to send Hamas Packing or for Hamas to re-do the charter.
I didn't say it was "just" cynical politics, I just said that they don't actually want to obliterate anything. They just want to consolidate their power in Palestine, and they believe the quickest way to do that is by engaging in this kind of brutal policy.

As far as your last sentence goes... good luck with those.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:16 PM   #62
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must be a slow news night if you guys are humoring pawnmower...

the man is so impressively knowledgeable on every subject that no-one can defeat him in verbal battle...

he even has his own version of logic and common sense...
I can see that.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:17 PM   #63
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must be a slow news night if you guys are humoring pawnmower...

the man is so impressively knowledgeable on every subject that no-one can defeat him in verbal battle...

he even has his own version of logic and common sense...

disagree at your own peril, you peasants...
Whenever I read Pawnmower's posts, I think of Will Farrell saying "He's an angry elf!" in Elf!.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:22 PM   #64
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palestinian people?



a philistine hasn't walked the earth in 2500 years.
philistines were palestinians?

what do you call people who have lived in palestine for generations?

are they not inhabitants of palestine?

are they not a people?

i don't think i understand...
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:24 PM   #65
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Whenever I read Pawnmower's posts, I think of Will Farrell saying "He's an angry elf!" in Elf!.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:24 PM   #66
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palestinian people?



a philistine hasn't walked the earth in 2500 years.
You say this every time this subject comes up. You never explain it. Explain it. Just try to explain it. If you can't, just post a link.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:24 PM   #67
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are they not a people?

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you mean Jordanians?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:26 PM   #68
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palestinian people?



a philistine hasn't walked the earth in 2500 years.
Like it or not, the UN basically made them a people the same time Israel was made a country. (40's)

Those Arabs who were living in British Controlled Palestine (MAndatory Palestine, google it since you obviously seem ignorant) and were expelled have a right to return to something granted to them by the UN, or a right to be compensated.

You can make stupid philistine jokes, but there basically was a 'Madatory Palestine' and today there is a 'Palestinian Authority'...and you ignoring this fact is just as ****ing retarded as a Hamas apologist ignoring the Evil that makes up/exists within the Hamas charter.

(Take note Direcshun, I am equal opportunity in my fight against stupidity)
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:28 PM   #69
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Those Arabs .
and there it is.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:29 PM   #70
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and there it is.
Arab is a 'race', palestine is a country / political boundary (or will be)..Muslim/Islam is a religion....

Can we all agree on these things?
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:29 PM   #71
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Like it or not, the UN basically made them a people the same time Israel was made a country. (40's)

Those Arabs who were living in British Controlled Palestine (MAndatory Palestine, google it since you obviously seem ignorant) and were expelled have a right to return to something granted to them by the UN, or a right to be compensated.

You can make stupid philistine jokes, but there basically was a 'Madatory Palestine' and today there is a 'Palestinian Authority'...and you ignoring this fact is just as ****ing retarded as a Hamas apologist ignoring the Evil that makes up/exists within the Hamas charter.

(Take note Direcshun, I am equal opportunity in my fight against stupidity)
This problem has to be solved by the entire world. Not just a few allies.
It will never happen in our life time. But it will happen some day.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:31 PM   #72
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you mean Jordanians?
and gazans and lebanese and israelis...

there are plenty of palestinians in those places too...
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:32 PM   #73
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This problem has to be solved by the entire world. Not just a few allies.
It will never happen in our life time. But it will happen some day.
We came VERY ****ing close already once....

I think that in our lifetime, Palestine will be a country. All they have to do is renounce hamas...or have hamas completely re-write their charter...and have the people embrace it.

Big task? Yes. I think it could be on the verge of happening.....

The information age, facebook, the web.....the sharing of knowledge....

These things will foster peace.......(maybe I am naive)
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:33 PM   #74
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there are plenty of palestinians in those places too...
no such thing.
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no such thing.
What's your underlying theory? Actually say something in an affirmative belief for once instead of acting like the coward you usually are.
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