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Old 10-26-2012, 08:19 AM  
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Amendment introduced, 29 extra electoral votes to popular vote winner.

Obviously, never going to pass.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...lectoral-votes

Dem's amendment would give 29 more electoral votes to popular vote winner
By Jonathan Easley
10/26/12 08:39 AM ET

The head of the House Democratic campaign arm this week proposed a Constitutional amendment that would give the winner of the popular vote in the presidential race an additional 29 electoral votes.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) did not offer an explanation in the joint resolution filed in the House why he was proposing to change the way elections in the U.S. are decided.

Under the Constitution, the candidate who wins at least 270 electoral votes wins the presidency regardless of the popular vote.

The prospect of a split between the popular vote and the Electoral College usually provokes cries of abolishing the Electoral College completely, but rather than simplifying the process, Israel’s resolution would add an additional level of intrigue to the electoral puzzle.

Swing states would still retain their importance in the Electoral College, but the additional 29 delegates awarded to the popular vote winner would fundamentally alter the focus of the campaigns. Candidates would have to target voters in states they have no chance of winning, as well as in states they have no chance of losing.

One of the primary criticisms of the Electoral College is that it puts outsized importance on the horserace aspect of the election in the battleground states, as voters in the majority of the country tune out. If Israel’s amendment were to become law, voters in deeply blue and red states would still have participate in the election to secure for their candidate the popular vote prize.

Most analysts believe the 2012 election will be decides by fewer than 29 Electoral College votes.

The timing of the resolution from Israel, the head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, is curious since there is increasing speculation that for the fifth time in history, the 2012 presidential election could result in a split between the popular vote and Electoral College decision. And in this case, most of the speculation has been that President Obama might win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote.

According to the Real Clear Politics average of polls, Mitt Romney has 47.9 percent support nationally over President Obama at 47. But the Obama campaign has consistently touted its “wider path to victory” through the Electoral College, and the president appears to have a small lead in the handful of battleground states whose Electoral College votes will determine the outcome of the election.

Several U.S. races have ended with the lower of the popular vote winning the Electoral College.

A split most recently happened in 2000 when Republican George W. Bush won the most electoral votes but lost the popular vote to Vice President Al Gore.

If approved, Israel’s measure would apply with respect to any presidential election held after a one-year period that would begin on the date of its ratification.

The amendment must be ratified by three-fourths of the states to become law.

Here’s the text of the measure:

“In an election for President and Vice President, after the popular vote has been counted and electors have been appointed in each of the several States and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States, each State and the District shall report the total number of popular votes cast for each of the candidates,” Israel’s joint resolution reads. “The candidate receiving the largest percentage of the total popular vote as reported by the several States and the District shall receive 29 electoral votes in addition to those cast by the Electors chosen by the several States and the District. These votes shall not be considered votes cast by Electors and shall not affect the total number of votes necessary to constitute a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed.”
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:40 PM   #31
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I support the electoral college system, but in the very unlikely case of a tie, I just think popular vote winner is a better tiebreaker than the current system which is pretty bizarre.
You can't just create a new electoral vote...lol.

And I see nothing wrong with the present system -- it keeps the control where the Constitution intends it to be...with the states.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:44 PM   #32
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There would be a total of 51 electoral votes. One from each state and 1 for whoever receives the most total votes. Impossible to have a tie, and ensures each state is equally represented in the presidential election.
I'm picturing a world where President Jack Buford of Wyoming signs an executive order requiring that every American be required to graduate from a hunter's safety academy and own a firearm, while Vice President Jimmy Martin of Maine looks on and waits for that "Everyone Has To Own A Boat" legislation to pass. And I am unafraid.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #33
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Looks like the communists (democrats) are already starting their sore loser act.
Hyperbole aside, why would they be touting a plan which in this case would hurt them and in the future be just as likely to hurt them as help?
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:04 PM   #34
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Perhaps the limitations of the POTUS election process are addressed elsewhere in other elections. I just quickly googled up a page for a baseline:
The President of the United States is the chief executor. He enforces the Constitution and the laws passed by Congress. To help enforce laws, he may issue executive orders. He appoints all government officials, including Cabinet officers, Supreme Court Justices, and others. However, his executive orders may be declared unconstitutional in the courts and all of his appointments must be approved by the Senate.
The President of the United States is also the chief legislator. He can recall Congress into a special session. He may veto the bills passed by Congress, and use his influence on his colleagues in Congress to get a bill passed or proposed. Again, all of his actions are limited by other branches of government: Congressmen do not have to pass any laws during the special session, Congress can override the president's veto by a two-thirds majority, and no one in Congress must succumb to the president's pressure.
In terms of judicial powers, the president of the United States may grant pardons to most individuals and he has indirect control of the courts, as he appoints all of the federal judges. The judicial powers of the president are limited in that all of his appointments must be approved by the Senate, the federal judges that he appoints receive lifetime tenure and thus do not react to presidential influences, and his power to grant pardons does not extend to cases of impeachment.
The President is the chief ambassador - he determines the foreign policy of the nation, he directs diplomatic talks and negotiates treaties, and he appoints other ambassadors and diplomats. As with all other appointments, these must be cleared by Congress. Any treaties with foreign nations must be ratified by the Senate before they go into effect, and presidential foreign policies may be examined and criticized by House and Senate Committees.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:07 PM   #35
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Horrible idea. If you're doing this you may as well just scrap the electoral college. The electoral college was framed in mind that smaller states are represented and that the individual states have a say in who is chosen President. It protects against a regional candidate taking over.

Every candidate that won the popular vote and lost the election was flawed. Gore won most of his majority in California and New York. Cleveland had six southern states overwhelmingly vote for him for setting tarriffs that would help their states. The Tilden v Hayes election was full of fraud and voter intimidation. The Quincy Adams victory over Jackson was due to a larger vote from state legislatures who voted directly for their electoral college preference.

The electoral college has done what it is supposed to do. Perhaps many do not like the representation of having states winner take all. That could be solved by states moving to the system used in Maine and Nebraska where each congressional EC vote is up for selection. I believe that would get even more people out to vote as highly partisan states would have a chance for the other party to be represented.

With that states would also need the non-partisan Iowa system of setting districts so they are no longer cherry picked for the legislature in charge to set all districts favoring their party.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:47 PM   #36
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How about the candidate that wears the most pink?
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:58 PM   #37
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Either you do away with it, or you keep it as is. It does annoy me that the majority of the country in no way matters for presidential elections. But I don't see that changing for awhile...
It should never change or Mich, NY, NY, Cally, Ill, and Florida would decide every federal election


Look people...the framers are more intellignet that most people living today. They figured this out long before any of us were born. They had the time. We don't.
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