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Old 10-27-2012, 08:53 PM  
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Official 2012-2013 NBA Thread

Looks like James Harden has been To the Rockets for Jeremey Lamb, Kevin Martin and future picks. Plus... this is a general NBA thread.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:00 PM   #1411
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Kobe has more assists than field goal attempts in both of his last TWO games. In his previous 1,203 career games it happened just THREE times.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #1412
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Kobe has more assists than field goal attempts in both of his last TWO games. In his previous 1,203 career games it happened just THREE times.
He's playing point gaurd now that's why. It's not dantonis system or the triangle
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:45 PM   #1413
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those win share numbers are great and make me feel good about my powers of watching as a fan!!!!

I ****ing have said on this board since it happened that Pau was the MVP of those Finals in 2010...and it wasn't even ****ing close.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:48 PM   #1414
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Yeah, I'm not shocked that Kobe had more shot attempts than assists.

I doubt many 2 guards that are scorers ever do.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:55 PM   #1415
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Yeah, I'm not shocked that Kobe had more shot attempts than assists.

I doubt many 2 guards that are scorers ever do.
Just thought it was an interesting stat; not good or bad.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:59 PM   #1416
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He's playing point gaurd now that's why. It's not dantonis system or the triangle
I just don't buy this. The bottom line is Kobe has the ball in his hands A TON, regardless the coach or system. If he wanted to distribute, he's had ample opportunity. He believes in order for his team to win, he has to shoulder the load and score. Period. For some reason the last two games, he's decided to pass more, and he's done it very well. Even in his iso's, he's making a move then looking for a cutter instead of chucking. I'm assuming he came to the conclusion that status quo just wasn't working, so in order to flip the season, he needed to try something new. Kudos to him.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:15 PM   #1417
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And teams will adjust and the Lakers will go back to losing
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #1418
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those win share numbers are great and make me feel good about my powers of watching as a fan!!!!

I ****ing have said on this board since it happened that Pau was the MVP of those Finals in 2010...and it wasn't even ****ing close.
The Lakers don't win either of their two most recent championships without the huge playoff contributions of Pau Gasol.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:02 PM   #1419
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Andrew Bogut started tonight against the Raptors.. I am shocked he came back.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:04 PM   #1420
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And teams will adjust and the Lakers will go back to losing
Adjust to what exactly?
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:25 PM   #1421
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Adjust to what exactly?
Yeah, they cant really adjust to this when Nash is your sharp shooter. Double Kobe, and one of the bigs gets an easy basket or you foul him and fouling may be the way to go as Howard is terrible at free throws. Cant double with Who's on Ron, becuase he's spot up on the other side of the floor.

Again, he was doing this at the beg of the year when nash went down, but instead of Duhon/Morris open you now have STeve Nash who is arguably one of the best shooters the NBA has ever seen. Its gonna be tough.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:47 PM   #1422
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The idea that late game performance has no bearing on a player's performance is just laughable. Big Ben, Eli Manning, and Joe Montana are offended that you tthink their performances were forgettable because they didn't throw for 400 yards and 5 TDs. Jordan hit 3 game winners in 1989. The Lakers and Spurs have had teams that literally ran the table in the playoffs. Many others. Dirk had some unbelievable late game performances last year against elite competition. It's not a slight to say LeBron didn't play legendary. It is absolutely homerism to look at the average playoff schedule he played, the lack of clear defining late game moments, and the kind of legendary historical performances you're measuring him up against and suggest that it was one of the best of all time.

Again, it was a great performance and he should be proud of it. Legendary? No. Cue the part where you point to statistics that don't factor in the clear statistics showing that Miami played average in close games last playoff run. And the part where you call me butthurt because I acknowledge he played great but wouldn't classify it as "legendary."


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I'm not just pulling that claim out of my ass like you've done here repeatedly to suggest that LeBron lacks clutchness or doesn't have some kind of instinct. The stats merely suggest it is. Only Tim Duncan has ever had a higher win share total in a postseason than LeBron did in 2012: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._yearly_p.html And only thirteen times in the history of the game has a player ever had a PER in the postseason as high as LeBron did in 2012 (Jordan did it twice): http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._top_10_p.html If that isn't a historic level of dominance, I don't know what is.


His overall dominance in leading the Heat to the championship (or in other words, his 4-quarter performances) is really the only thing that matters, not whether he took a few shots late in games, so I don't think I will.


I guess it's a good thing then that Peyton Manning was a pretty poor analogy for LeBron because LeBron has performed exceedingly well in the postseason (3rd all time in both PER and WS/48 behind MJ and Mikan).


I haven't said anything about "closing" at any time. I'm only talking about how good a player he is and what he's accomplished in his career with a particular focus on the postseason.


I trust LeBron and his elite BB IQ to know when to pass on the last shot far more than some bitter former LeBron/current Cavs fan does.


It was one of the best playoff performances of all time by any real objective standard and statistic that is out there. He quite simply carried the Heat to a title over 20+ games with some of the most dominant games in NBA postseason history. If the stats didn't suggest it was, I wouldn't be saying it. But they do.


I'm a Raptors fan. I have no reason to be a homer for LeBron. If anything, I shouldn't like him because he was instrumental in Bosh's move to Miami. But as any basketball fan should, I respect his incredible talent and accomplishments for what they are.
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The Lakers don't win either of their two most recent championships without the huge playoff contributions of Pau Gasol.
Same can be said for the 2nd best player on literally any Championship team.
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Yeah, they cant really adjust to this when Nash is your sharp shooter. Double Kobe, and one of the bigs gets an easy basket or you foul him and fouling may be the way to go as Howard is terrible at free throws. Cant double with Who's on Ron, becuase he's spot up on the other side of the floor.

Again, he was doing this at the beg of the year when nash went down, but instead of Duhon/Morris open you now have STeve Nash who is arguably one of the best shooters the NBA has ever seen. Its gonna be tough.
As much as I like to bag on Ron, he's played well this year. He's hitting the 3 on regularity and has some decent moves to get open. I still scream at the tv when they let him dribble the ball up the court though. I just don't get why they let him do it ever.
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The idea that late game performance has no bearing on a player's performance is just laughable.
Nobody said that. It's only a very small part of the overall picture, though, especially when you are as dominant as LeBron is in every aspect of the game and your team blows out playoff opponents often largely due to your dominance.

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It is absolutely homerism to look at the average playoff schedule he played, the lack of clear defining late game moments, and the kind of legendary historical performances you're measuring him up against and suggest that it was one of the best of all time.
No, it's actually just citing statistics that suggest that LeBron had one of the greatest postseason runs in the history of the game. He completely carried the Heat to the title while posting near triple doubles every night on high percentages with elite defense. That just doesn't happen that often (see here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._top_10_p.html)
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