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Old 10-29-2012, 02:55 PM  
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Next GM Short-List: Who's your pick and why?

There is lots of talk about Pioli getting the boot, but I haven't seen much about possible replacements. Who is available? Who would have a chance at success (not mediocrity) Who makes your short list of candidates?

I am not any kind of expert on NFL execs, but I want one how understands that modern NFL franchises need to build around a franchise quarterback.

I just want my Chiefs back... I miss caring about the game on Sunday.

What say you?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:25 PM   #91
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I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?
I'd be pissed.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:31 PM   #92
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:41 PM   #93
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Clark should take look at the best candidates from GB or PIT.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:45 PM   #94
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There is lots of talk about Pioli getting the boot, but I haven't seen much about possible replacements. Who is available? Who would have a chance at success (not mediocrity) Who makes your short list of candidates?

I am not any kind of expert on NFL execs, but I want one how understands that modern NFL franchises need to build around a franchise quarterback.

I just want my Chiefs back... I miss caring about the game on Sunday.

What say you?
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I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?
Taking backups from other teams is what the Chiefs have almost always done. That's not a very good endorsement of that strategy.

Draft a QB. It's time. The last GM was supposed to do that. Clark even wanted it. It didn't happen.

If the new GM continues to shit on us, I'll be pissed.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:10 PM   #97
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I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:15 PM   #98
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I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?
let's just assume that kc is drafting either #1 or #2. If the new GM doesn't take a QB then he better trade down for a king's ransom and then max out the draft with quality AND quantity.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:16 PM   #99
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I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.
Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:20 PM   #100
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I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.
Polian is certainly a safe hire for GM. He kind of sucked for the last 4-5 years in Indy but he had Manning carrying the team. When Manning went down they sucked sooooo bad (due to Polian's suckiness at assembling talent) that BOOM, the Colts get the #1 pick and Andrew Luck.

He lost his job but he still left Indy with a shot at a once-in-a-lifetime QB.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:23 PM   #101
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I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.
Polian is 70 and I will assume he would want to be the team president and make his son the GM, or at least in line to be the next GM after Polian retires.

Based on two years of Chris Polian in Indy, I'd wager that's a road we'd want to avoid.

Ironically, after getting fired as GM of the Colts, the best Chris Polian could do is get an Area Scout job from the Atlanta falcons and Pioli's buddy, Dimitrioff...
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:26 PM   #102
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Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.
yea, no. polian cant draft worth shit.

hire a young gun head coach & then hire a gm. I think hc is more important to this team at this point then gm in my opinion.
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i think hc is more important to this team at this point then gm in my opinion.
I could not disagree more.

Talent trumps scheme every single time.

Look no further than the 90's Chiefs as proof.
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Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.
Fired after he built a team that went to its 4th straight superbowl. Id JIMP.

Of course he "went the veteran route" he was starting an expansion team. How the team did after he left was on somebody else, he had them in the NFCC game in his second year there.

While I agree that his drafts werent very good in Indy, he did fill some crucial spots while there that helped the team win big games and he made it a point to put as many weapons as he could around PM to help him succeed.

Most teams are "helpless" when their HOF starter goes down.

Age is a concern, as is bringing Chris with him....I agree. Maybe Chris has learned something as a scout, though. Its not like Atlanta hasnt drafted well.

Interesting, I honestly didn't know about his secrecy stuff...can you elaborate?
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I could not disagree more.

Talent trumps scheme every single time.

Look no further than the 90's Chiefs as proof.
I disagree to an extent.

Look at the 2012 Chiefs.
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