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Old 10-31-2012, 11:48 AM  
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Do you think Heaven exists?

As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?



Edit: I do appreciate all the kind words of support it does mean alot but I am not wanting this to be a sympathy thread so any argument for against is fine by me. There will be no offense taken. So have at it.

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Old 11-03-2012, 02:03 PM   #211
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I'm bright enough that I was indoctrinated into a ridiculous faith that believed in the afterlife and figured out for myself that it was LOL.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:07 PM   #212
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I'm bright enough that I was indoctrinated into a ridiculous faith that believed in the afterlife and figured out for myself that it was LOL.
you sure were, but that just points to the failure of man, not God.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:25 PM   #213
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Dirk, don't look to religion. Religion is man trying to get to God.

Jesus is God trying to get to man.


Hope this helps...we are three dimensional..body, soul and spirit...the body returns to dust, the spirit is the essence that you miss..the soul is eternal.

This is why your mom was ready.....She knew her body was failing...She knew the love she gave you would live on through you..She knew her soul was going to be with God in Heaven.. ..even in the sadness of her passing, she gave you a wonderful gift.


Hoping you find peace.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:42 PM   #214
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I'm bright enough that I was indoctrinated into a ridiculous faith that believed in the afterlife and figured out for myself that it was LOL.
How did you accomplish that?
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:37 PM   #215
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you sure were, but that just points to the failure of man, not God.
Er, what?

The afterlife is a man-made myth.
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Er, what?
you said were indoctrinated by a ridiculous faith...I agreed.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:19 PM   #218
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Yeah, but if you're calling one belief a failure of man, what prevents the xtian belief in heaven being any different?

It's no different at it's core than any previous afterlife mythology that came centuries before.

This is all the same stuff dressed up in a different way to suit the culture at the time.

Even the JW beliefs are an offshoot of Presbyterianism. And guess where that came from...
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Yeah, but if you're calling one belief a failure of man, what prevents the xtian belief in heaven being any different?

It's no different at it's core than any previous afterlife mythology that came centuries before.

This is all the same stuff dressed up in a different way to suit the culture at the time.

if that's true....why are people getting killed around the globe for believing in Christ for the last 2000 years....? 3.2 miilion in Africa, for example.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:31 AM   #220
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if that's true....why are people getting killed around the globe for believing in Christ for the last 2000 years....?
Because religion is evil.

Man has always killed in the name of religion.

God can't even keep his own followers alive?

Can't he beam down some more Arks of the Covenant or was that just a one time deal?
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:28 AM   #221
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You have a number of yesterdays, one today and no tomorrow in existence.

Anything can be compared Itís the evidence you use to support the comparison that matters.

While I appreciate your response, itís interesting that you use logic and assumption to refute my statement.

Logic is a science of reasonable deduction or inference. Assumption is the belief in something based upon the outcome of previously occurring or historical events. Although it is probable tomorrow will happen, assumption or logic does not guarantee nor prove it will take place yet you believe it will.

A theory is a concept that is not yet verified or proven but if true would explain a group of or certain facts. It is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. For a theory to become scientific law it must answer why. Evolution, relativity, inflationary, are examples of theories and your argument that tomorrow exists could be considered a theory (loosely).

Many religions have historical documentation (the bible, Quaran, Torah) which contain groups of facts and historical records which prove people, places and events have occurred. No factual evidence has been presented to dispute them. So I can also say religion, God, angels, demons existence is a theory (loosely) which cannot be disproved.

Your belief/assumption/logic that tomorrow will exist carries equal weight to the belief that God exists. Neither assumption nor logic change the fact you can prove tomorrow exists any more than God, specters, angels, demons, heaven or hell can be proven although I wonder of those who donít believe in God believe in intuition.
I don't even know where to start with this ridiculous post. First, I guess we have to define what tomorrow is. You seem to be changing it to something that will never exist. I will define it simply as the next day after this current one, therefore multitudes of tomorrows have existed and at this point in time there is no contrary evidence that there won't be a tomorrow. We are living in a tomorrow right now. Again, there has never been evidence of god that can be measured in any scientific way.

Your statement that "So I can also say religion, God, angels, demons existence is a theory (loosely) which cannot be disproved." is absolutely hilarious. That statement is a hypothesis at best. The theory has to have the facts in place to be a theory. If it is just a guess it is not a theory. You have zero scientific evidence for any of those items listed.

You are running into the same problem that creationist run into in their debate against evolution. A scientific theory is a completely different term than a layman definition of a theory. A scientific theory is a close to fact as it gets. There are enormous amounts of evidence to back up that theory. It is not just a guess. You also need to realize that science never takes an absolute position; it is always open to changes when new evidence presents itself. Therefore when I say it is an easy assumption to make that there is going to be a tomorrow, that is acknowledging the fact that if there was evidence presented that would show other wise, my opinion would be swayed.

Please look up burden of proof as well. You seem to think if there is no proof to the negative than that is proof of the positive. That is just not how it works. If I make the statement that aliens put humans on earth, because you can't disprove that doesn't lend any credence to the claim.
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Because religion is evil.

Man has always killed in the name of religion.

God can't even keep his own followers alive?

Can't he beam down some more Arks of the Covenant or was that just a one time deal?
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