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Old 10-31-2012, 11:48 AM  
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Do you think Heaven exists?

As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?



Edit: I do appreciate all the kind words of support it does mean alot but I am not wanting this to be a sympathy thread so any argument for against is fine by me. There will be no offense taken. So have at it.

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Old 10-31-2012, 02:17 PM   #61
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without getting into a religous debate/ hijack etc, I personally don't believe in it.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:22 PM   #62
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Anyplace is better than earth which currently is a hell-hole. JMO though.
Chin up dirk. Sorry for your loss.
couldn't disagree more. Earth is a wonderful place to enjoy family and the beauty of nature. I don't know what jaded your perspective so intensely, but I'm sorry you can't enjoy the wonderful opportunity you've been given.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:27 PM   #63
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I believe in an afterlife of some sort as a Christian, but I have lots of questions myself about organized religion as a whole.

Sorry for your lose and I'm afraid you're searching for an answer only you can answer for yourself. Each person's perspective on religion is usually different, you're going through a tough time and it's difficult to see/feel anything but the loss. I know where you're coming from, not about death particularly but life altering moments.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:02 PM   #64
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I know this much Dirk. If I'm wrong, I'll never know it so that's the benefit of my logic.


I can't prove anything for you, I probably can't say anything that will help you feel better, even if I wish I could. It's probably something you're just going to have to work out yourself and come to whatever conclusion you end up with. Either way, I hope you can find some peace with the loss of your mother.
Very true Iowanian. I do appreciate and respect you and what you say.

I go back and forth with myself every day about this.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:03 PM   #65
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I don't feel this thread is the place to get into a pissing match. We can do that in any number of threads.
Go for it I don't mind. I didn't want this to be a sympathy thread...
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:04 PM   #66
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I have strong memories of my grandmother and great-aunts talking about angels, especially guardian angels. Everyone had a guardian angel, and this angel was always looking out after you. Suppose you narrowly miss getting hit by a bus; it was your guardian angel who made you walk an extra step ahead or behind without you even thinking about it that saved your life. So each night, thank your guardian angel for looking out for you.

Heaven was where the guardian angels lived, but I always thought of them as being right behind you or sitting right next to you. Maybe at night they flew up to heaven to sleep with God and Jesus and Mary and the Saints and all those who died.

That gave so much purpose to lives. No matter who you were, you were important enough that God designated you your own guardian angel who was doing more than manifesting God's love -- they were their own entity who loved you additionally to God.

I wish I could, but I don't carry around that sense of comfort and purpose in my own life. I don't know, and I won't presume to know if these guardian angels exist or if Heaven exists. I also agree that when people say your mom's in a better place, it is a confusing presumption. I really think people say stuff like that because it's a conditioned/cultural reply and talking about death in more in-depth ways is awkward and uncomfortable for most people.

What I do know is that my grandmother meant quite a bit to me and her impact is still very real and good. And if I take that meaning of her and do my own good with it, I think that would be just as good to her as a heaven in the traditional sense. And then maybe, there is both, and in one sense, she is my guardian angel (or one of many), and possibly, in the other, she is enjoying God and Jesus and Mary and the angels and those that died.

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Old 10-31-2012, 03:07 PM   #67
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As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?
Its a good story if you want to hear a good story. Death is the reason religion exists at all. People for some reason are scared to death (pun intended) that not existing will be horrible. You didn't exist for 14 billion years and it didn't hurt. I'll be fine for the next 14 gazillion. I'd love to be the proverbial fly on the wall but am totally at peace with not existing.

The other is a very pretty story though.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:10 PM   #68
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Go for it I don't mind. I didn't want this to be a sympathy thread...
He's in charge of behavior ...or so he thinks. He's our resident psychologist.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:14 PM   #69
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couldn't disagree more. Earth is a wonderful place to enjoy family and the beauty of nature. I don't know what jaded your perspective so intensely, but I'm sorry you can't enjoy the wonderful opportunity you've been given.
That has nothing to do with my own personal life and you should butt out of that. I said "earth."
I am referring to the constant wars of mankind, evil and corrupt governments, starvation of some peoples, persecution of other peoples and things like, not my own little piece of earth. We've had it much better in America, even in the West. But earth is a big place and it's pretty far from being a utopia. That would be heaven if it was.
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I don't feel this thread is the place to get into a pissing match. We can do that in any number of threads.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:18 PM   #71
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If that is what she wanted to believe, if that is what made her happy then just leave it at that.
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If that is what she wanted to believe, if that is what made her happy then just leave it at that.
Of course and part of me wants to believe there is a heaven for the reasons I stated
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