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View Poll Results: The biggest reasons that Mitt will lose next week is:
The liberal media's conspiracy 7 14.58%
Stupid voters 16 33.33%
Mitt's a lousy candidate 26 54.17%
The election is rigged! 2 4.17%
The impact of Sandy 4 8.33%
The gender gap 10 20.83%
Mitt's a Mormon 7 14.58%
All of the Above 0 0%
All of the Above, except the Sandy thing 0 0%
Whatever GAZ says... 1 2.08%
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:57 AM  
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So, why is Mitt going to lose?

Poll Forthcoming.

Bottom-line for me: Obama hasn't been great, but Mitt is an awful candidate for America in 2012. For what it's worth, he'd have been a fine candidate for the GOP in the 1880s....but this ain't 1880.

290-248....you read it here.

FTR, the odds are 3:1, or 4:1. So, yes, I could end up being wrong...just sayin'.

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Old 11-04-2012, 03:48 PM   #121
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If the dumbass media would quit asking about abortion it would hardly ever get brought up. They always open the can of worms on it and boom it goes off.
It's in their interest to set the bait. As long as Republican candidates keep biting, they'd be crazy not to bring their can of worms to the fishin' hole.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:57 PM   #122
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Holy cripes....you have to be friggin' kidding?

My sarcasm meter doesn't seem to be working too well during election month....



Heh. Mitt bein' Mitt though....would have been Presbyterian or Methodist back then.
I thought religios beliefs didn't matter?
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:22 PM   #123
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If the dumbass media would quit asking about abortion it would hardly ever get brought up. They always open the can of worms on it and boom it goes off.

Maybe they'd stop asking if the Repub VP candidate didn't sponsor a bill outlawing abortion.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:52 PM   #124
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If Romney loses this election (I'm not ready to concede that as a fait accompli), a major reason (albeit not the only reason) will be the extreme right-wing policies of the Republican party.

Romney has several hurdles to overcome in his race against Obama. He is being held back by the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks of his own party who make idiotic comments about rape and God's will and women's bodies shutting down in cases of "legitimate" rape. He's being held back by the Michelle Bachmans and the Rick Santorums who are hell-bent to impose their strict moral and religious values on a voting bloc that doesn't share those values. And to some extent he's also being held back by the policy failures of the Bush administration.

Romney has been by no means a perfect candidate. He waited far too long to repudiate the attacks on his personal record, and he didn't hit Obama nearly hard enough on the current Benghazi scandal in the last debate. But the major problem for the Romney candidacy is that he was put in the very difficult position of having to convince the Tea Partiers that he was conservative enough to get the Republican nomination, and now that conservatism (faux that it may be) is unappealing to a large percentage of voters.
I know I'm a little late to this thread, but this post summarizes my feelings on the issue exactly. Two days before the election and I'm still not sure how to cast my vote. I desperately want to vote against Obama for his failed first term and the way he's growing the federal government, but if a GOP president gets to select the next SC justice (as would likely happen in this next term, if Romney is elected), social issues could be set back DECADES in this country, regardless of who is president afterwards, affecting the entire lives of some people very close to me.

The Republicans are severely handicapping themselves by forcing everyone who associates with them to adopt their ridiculous social agenda and are consequently allowing the Democrats to get away with being awful. The GOP will have to become more moderate if they want to reestablish themselves on a national scale, in my opinion.
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Basically if Romney loses it is because 538's model skewed the results, polling skewed the results, main street media has sided with obama, or outright cheating.

However, if Romney wins then it is the will of the people
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Basically if Romney loses it is because 538's model skewed the results, polling skewed the results, main street media has sided with obama, or outright cheating.

However, if Romney wins then it is the will of the people
You are coming around to proper thinking
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:55 PM   #127
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You are coming around to proper thinking
I'm working on it. Having a tough time throwing rational thinking out the window though.
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:57 PM   #128
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Basically if Romney loses it is because 538's model skewed the results, polling skewed the results, main street media has sided with obama, or outright cheating.

However, if Romney wins then it is the will of the people
Nah, I think the only ones that watch polls that close are the political junkies that have made up their minds.

In a race this close I don't think they matter.
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Nah, I think the only ones that watch polls that close are the political junkies that have made up their minds.

In a race this close I don't think they matter.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around someone who is undecided at this point. They need their own party. The Procrastinator Party. I'm sure they'll get around to it later.
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I know I'm a little late to this thread, but this post summarizes my feelings on the issue exactly. Two days before the election and I'm still not sure how to cast my vote. I desperately want to vote against Obama for his failed first term and the way he's growing the federal government, but if a GOP president gets to select the next SC justice (as would likely happen in this next term, if Romney is elected), social issues could be set back DECADES in this country, regardless of who is president afterwards, affecting the entire lives of some people very close to me.

The Republicans are severely handicapping themselves by forcing everyone who associates with them to adopt their ridiculous social agenda and are consequently allowing the Democrats to get away with being awful. The GOP will have to become more moderate if they want to reestablish themselves on a national scale, in my opinion.
No GOP nominated Supreme Court justice will vote to ban abortion or gay marriage.

The most they would do is overturn Roe v Wade and return the issue of abortion to the states where most states would continue to allow abortion on some circumstances just like today. A few states would ban it, but that would be a minority view that would get probably get smaller over time.

Universal gay marriage is even more inevitable than abortion, IMO.
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I'm still trying to wrap my mind around someone who is undecided at this point. They need their own party. The Procrastinator Party. I'm sure they'll get around to it later.
At this point if you're undecided you might be living your life better than the rest of us.
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No GOP nominated Supreme Court justice will vote to ban abortion or gay marriage.

The most they would do is overturn Roe v Wade and return the issue of abortion to the states where most states would continue to allow abortion on some circumstances just like today. A few states would ban it, but that would be a minority view that would get probably get smaller over time.

Universal gay marriage is even more inevitable than abortion, IMO.
You're probably correct. However, I stand by my opinion that things may be set back for a long time with an overwhelmingly conservative SC. Like you said, times are changing and the public opinion is turning, but I doubt that universal rights would come quite as fast with those in power still not supporting it.

A difference of ten or twenty years may be relatively insignificant in the long-term, but it could mean a lot to a young gay couple looking to settle down and start a family. That's of small importance to most, but it's of the most importance to a small group. In my case, knowing people in that group has made a difference in how long I'm willing to wait.
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You're probably correct. However, I stand by my opinion that things may be set back for a long time with an overwhelmingly conservative SC. Like you said, times are changing and the public opinion is turning, but I doubt that universal rights would come quite as fast with those in power still not supporting it.

A difference of ten or twenty years may be relatively insignificant in the long-term, but it could mean a lot to a young gay couple looking to settle down and start a family. That's of small importance to most, but it's of the most importance to a small group. In my case, knowing people in that group has made a difference in how long I'm willing to wait.
There's a price to be paid for seeking an activist court that will push societal change along instead of just impartially applying laws that organically arise from the evolving will of the people. The change they push won't always be the kind of change that enhances freedom. In fact it will most likely be change that expands the power of government to impose order.
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There's a price to be paid for seeking an activist court that will push societal change along instead of just impartially applying laws that organically arise from the evolving will of the people. The change they push won't always be the kind of change that enhances freedom. In fact it will most likely be change that expands the power of government to impose order.
An entirely valid point of view. I suppose that we're ultimately going to have to decide between having a court that reflects social changes too aggressively or one that's safer, but may not adapt as quickly as it needs to in a modern society. Whichever way it turns out, time will tell if it was the correct direction to go in.
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Basically if Romney loses it is because 538's model skewed the results, polling skewed the results, main street media has sided with obama, or outright cheating.

However, if Romney wins then it is the will of the people
I saw no fewer than 5 or 6 talking heads on the right making this argument this past weekend.
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