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Old 11-05-2012, 11:18 AM  
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Since we don't have any announced trades as of yet, and Dorsey has said he'll draft the best player available, here's the most recent incarnation of my mock:

1. Geno Smith, QB; West Virginia: 6'3", 220 lbs.

- Yeah, they traded for Alex Smith. But he's 29 years old and coming off of a concussion injury. Alex represents the best potential starting QB for the Chiefs in 2013 prior to the draft. Which is what Dorsey/Reid have tried to accomplish in free agency - setting the Chiefs up with the potential for winning right out of the gate. However, there also has to be long term potential at the QB position. As well, Dorsey has stated he'll take the best player available. That guy is Geno.



3. Phillip Thomas, FS; Fresno State: 6'1", 210 lbs.

- Thomas was the only non-BCS player to make all five official First Team All-American lists after the 2012 season after posting other-worldly numbers for the Bulldogs. Incredibly instinctive with a high football IQ, Thomas is superb in the open field showing excellent feet and hips, as well as going after ball carriers with authority.



3. John Simon, DE/OLB; Ohio State: 6'1", 257 lbs.

- John Simon is an absolute animal. Relentless. He's the terminator - he never stops, never quits. He's strong like bull and is thickly muscled. The best pass rusher on the Buckeyes squad for the past two years leading them in both sacks and tackles for loss. A former five star prep recruit, Simon does not know any other speed than full tilt relentless destruction. Think of linebackers like Bill Romanowski - that's how this kid plays.



4. Joe Kruger, DE/DT; Utah: 6'7", 280 lbs.

- The younger brother of Ravens DE/LB Paul, Joe is a physically bigger version of him. A workout warrior with a nose for the ball and a nasty streak, he'll play through the whistle. Led the Utes in sacks in 2012. Big frame and good athleticism. Anyone wanting SMU's Margus Hunt, this is a more polished, more experienced version that's been well coached and played against top level competition. Plays a lot like current Denver Bronco Derek Wolfe.



5. Kevin Reddick, ILB; North Carolina: 6'2", 245 lbs.

- Downgraded by some scouts/draftniks saying that he ran "hot and cold," however, from what I've seen, he's very instinctive and was able to find the ball/play through traffic. Shed blocks extremely well in addition to being able to fight through them. Pretty impressed with Reddick at this point.



6. Ricky Wagner, OT; Wisconsin: 6'6", 310 lbs.

- A former prep basketball star, he ended up playing both sides of the offensive line and was named First Team All-Conference his senior year. Experienced and from a system that consistently puts out quality pro prospects. Has the athletic ability to play either side of the line in a pinch, but should be a natural right tackle at that next level.



6. Jeff Baca, OG; UCLA: 6'4", 305 lbs.

- Agressive and physical, Baca started his career at offensive tackle and moved inside for his junior and senior year. Has also filled in at center. Second team All-Conference and was voted most outstanding senior on offense by his Bruin teammates.



7. Rex Burkhead, RB; Nebraska: 5'10", 215 lbs.

- Excellent hands and a crafty first step, Burkhead is a multi-dimensional threat. Plays hard and tough - will immediately contribute on special teams and has potential as a third down back or fullback.


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Old 12-24-2012, 03:00 PM   #31
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:11 PM   #32
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Liking the mock sac except for one thing. I think David Amerson is a better fit at safety, so the Chiefs would still need a corner. Put a corner in for their 3rd round pick and I'd be liking this thing fo sho.

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Old 12-24-2012, 06:12 PM   #33
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I was looking at 2nd level QBs to draft later and looked at that Sorensen kid.

There's one video up on youtube of him and he looked a lot like Lindley going something like 12/30 with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Then you look at his stats and he's gotten worse every year.

I'd rather draft a 2nd QB in the 3rd and get Murray, Jones, Manuel, or Dysert.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:35 PM   #34
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I like the idea of taking a flyer on someone like Logan Thomas with tools you can dream on. But I also really like Dysert. This obsession of mine with QBs is getting a little unhealthy, I think.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:49 AM   #35
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Liking the mock sac except for one thing. I think David Amerson is a better fit at safety, so the Chiefs would still need a corner. Put a corner in for their 3rd round pick and I'd be liking this thing fo sho.
If we were talking about Florida State's Xavier Rhodes, I'd agree, but I think that Amerson can play the #2 CB spot at the next level very effectively. Great ball skills and great size and he is very good at press coverage.

I think he'd fit in quite well opposite of Flowers.
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If we were talking about Florida State's Xavier Rhodes, I'd agree, but I think that Amerson can play the #2 CB spot at the next level very effectively. Great ball skills and great size and he is very good at press coverage.

I think he'd fit in quite well opposite of Flowers.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:59 AM   #37
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I was looking at 2nd level QBs to draft later and looked at that Sorensen kid.

There's one video up on youtube of him and he looked a lot like Lindley going something like 12/30 with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Then you look at his stats and he's gotten worse every year.

I'd rather draft a 2nd QB in the 3rd and get Murray, Jones, Manuel, or Dysert.
I like Jones. Manuel as well.

I just don't know if you can take another guy as high as the third round at this point. The Chiefs are going to need a MLB and safety and that's the round where there is some really, really good talent sitting there for those two positions.

If we could get players like Skov and Thomas, who should be immediate starters at MLB and FS on this team, then you have got to take them versus a backup at QB. 5th or 6th round I'd spend on another QB if Smith is taken in the first.
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I'm sure there is someone that can be found later in the draft to play safety.

Chiefs have 3 openings at QB and I'd rather not waste a pick on a Lindleyesque QB.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:17 AM   #39
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I'm sure there is someone that can be found later in the draft to play safety.

Chiefs have 3 openings at QB and I'd rather not waste a pick on a Lindleyesque QB.
I'm sure there is. A Lindleyesque level safety.

Thomas is an All-American. McDonald and Rambo are very solid. It gets a little iffy after that. If either of those guys are there in the third, you definitely take them over a backup at QB. That's what free agency is for - getting a vet who knows the league and can fill in and do an okay job when required.

Wasting a third round pick on a backup is wasting a pick when you can get a starter at a position of need.

The Chiefs need starters at the following out of this draft:

1. Quarterback
2. Cornerback
3. Free Safety
4. Middle Linebacker

Everything else is filler/special teams/backup.

If they get the compensation for Carr and it's a third rounder as expected, they can get all of this by round three and all of them can be high level guys. (See above.)
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I guess I'm not worried about drafting a FS. Ya, we "need" a FS but its not some pressing need. The defense will be just fine and dandy with a quality #2 CB and a replacement for Belcher.

On the other hand we have an all time terrible offense because of 1 position. I'm not ready to throw all of the eggs in 1 basket. Geno wouldn't be the first highly touted QB to bust, if he were to bust, meanwhile a 2nd tier "Russell Wilson" could have been had but we passed on because we drafted Geno. Give me 2 QBs and a FA vet like Campbell or Moore. Won't see me crying over a S if we have a "problem" like the Redskins.
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I guess I'm not worried about drafting a FS. Ya, we "need" a FS but its not some pressing need. The defense will be just fine and dandy with a quality #2 CB and a replacement for Belcher.
It wasn't so long ago that this entire board was going nuts because of guys like Mike Brown and Sabby Piscatelli. When Jon McGraw was our best safety.

It's a pass first league and the safety position has become substantially more important to the defense than it was in the past. And it's a hard position to fill. You've got to have guys stout enough to play 265 lbs. tight ends and fast enough to cover wideouts and fast running backs.

At this point, to get an NFL starting level safety, you've got to go earlier rather than later in the draft.

And while I really like Kendrick Lewis and his ball skills, I don't know if he's ever going to be healthy at this point. The shoulder is perpetually tweaked and it's kept him off the field the past two seasons. They need a new guy at free safety and between the three guys - Thomas, McDonald and Rambo, they can get a top flight prospect with that third round pick.

That has to be a better option than some guy who is going to end up holding a clipboard the majority of his career.

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On the other hand we have an all time terrible offense because of 1 position. I'm not ready to throw all of the eggs in 1 basket. Geno wouldn't be the first highly touted QB to bust, if he were to bust, meanwhile a 2nd tier "Russell Wilson" could have been had but we passed on because we drafted Geno. Give me 2 QBs and a FA vet like Campbell or Moore. Won't see me crying over a S if we have a "problem" like the Redskins.
They almost are forced to take two QB's in this draft. However, if you draft Geno (and there are no guarantees ever with any player) overall #1, you are going to play him. He'll struggle at times, just like the vast majority of rookie QB's, but you've got to play him. Get him accustomed to the speed of the game and let him grow. The only way you don't play him is if he gets injured. And if that's the case you want a solid veteran backup to come in and carry the team versus playing yet another rookie, whose also going to be forced to have those growing pains.

That's why, IMO, you take a late round flyer on a guy who has the potential versus starter level material.

A guy like Sorensen (who I have above) or Duke's Sean Renfree, who both have the size, arm and poise for the next level, but will need repetitions in an NFL practice setting to become acclimated to the speed.

I think that they should make an effort to pick up Jason Campbell, who's the best of the free agent QB's in 2013 and is markedly better than either Cassel or Quinn, and snag either Renfree or Sorensen in the 5/6 range.

Geno Smith
Jason Campbell
Brad Sorensen

is a pretty nice QB situation in 2013 after having to endure Cassel and Quinn in 2012.
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Officially nom-nom-nom'd at your updates.

Additionally, you can expect probably 2 more late comp picks, IIRC
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so, as a hypothetical, let's say the Chiefs aren't going to draft smith (for whatever reason)....how would that change your draft...or how would you proceed with that limitation?
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so, as a hypothetical, let's say the Chiefs aren't going to draft smith (for whatever reason)....how would that change your draft...or how would you proceed with that limitation?
I find that scenario so implausible that it goes beyond the realm of even the hypothetical into the absurd.
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so, as a hypothetical, let's say the Chiefs aren't going to draft smith (for whatever reason)....how would that change your draft...or how would you proceed with that limitation?
Seems like an easy solution to me...

- Geno Smith

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