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Old 11-05-2012, 12:48 PM  
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The Marijuana Legalization Watch Thread

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This thread is split out from the 538 thread. As mentioned below, it's looking like the marijuana legalization initiatives in Colorado and Washington both have a decent chance of passing, so here's a thread to talk about it. I know legalization as a philosophy has been discussed on the Planet ad nauseum, so I'd suggest this thread be used primarily to talk specifically about the potential impacts of legalization in these states rater than as a general philosophy, but it's not like I dictate discussion around here either.
Take this poll with a grain of salt because drugs always seem to under-perform their polling, but PPP says amendment 64 is winning in CO, 52-44.

This amendment would outright legalize and regulate the cultivation, manufacture, sale, and recreational use of marijuana. That would set the state up for a showdown with the feds which the feds will obviously win, but it could drive the issue further.

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Old 11-06-2012, 02:53 PM   #121
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As far as I know, there's nothing in the Colorado initiative that would address driving under the influence, though there is in the Washington version. I'd be surprised if the Colorado government didn't pass something before this takes effect, though. It's a tough one to define is the only issue.
I think the DUI law already covers that, unless they somehow want to implement a minimum level of high you have to be before you get the DUI.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:14 PM   #122
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I think the DUI law already covers that, unless they somehow want to implement a minimum level of high you have to be before you get the DUI.
They've talked about having some sort of blood test for it. I couldn't tell you how they test for it now.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:40 PM   #123
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They've talked about having some sort of blood test for it. I couldn't tell you how they test for it now.
I can tell you how Greenwood Village handled it in one case in June of this year.

The driver of a car was pulled over for crossing the center line on a curve. While talking with the driver, the policeman began to suspect that the driver was somehow impaired. He conducted roadside sobriety tests which seemed to confirm his suspicions. He did not suspect that the driver had been drinking. (He hadn't been.) However, he did suspect that the driver had been using marijuana. (He had been.) He detained the driver and got permission to search the car, wherein he found marijuana paraphernalia and a small amount of residue.

Greenwood Village does not have an effective way to prosecute DUI based on test results for marijuana alone, therefore they rely on the testimony of specially trained paramedical professionals who conduct specialized roadside tests and who testify in court what they observed when they were conducting those tests.

Because of a particularly bad accident that had occurred at approximately the same time in that jurisdiction, none of their specially trained paramedics were available.

The driver was allowed to make a phone call to someone who would pick him up. He was charged with possession of marijuana, but he was not charged with DUI.

I am no expert, but if a city with the vast resources of Greenwood Village uses the method I just described on a regular basis in cases in which they suspect marijuana impaired driving, I suspect that the chemical testing methods at their disposal currently are ineffective in court. That would trouble me.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:03 PM   #124
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So, I may be moving to Colorado soon, I guess... heh.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:11 PM   #125
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I can tell you how Greenwood Village handled it in one case in June of this year.

The driver of a car was pulled over for crossing the center line on a curve. While talking with the driver, the policeman began to suspect that the driver was somehow impaired. He conducted roadside sobriety tests which seemed to confirm his suspicions. He did not suspect that the driver had been drinking. (He hadn't been.) However, he did suspect that the driver had been using marijuana. (He had been.) He detained the driver and got permission to search the car, wherein he found marijuana paraphernalia and a small amount of residue.

Greenwood Village does not have an effective way to prosecute DUI based on test results for marijuana alone, therefore they rely on the testimony of specially trained paramedical professionals who conduct specialized roadside tests and who testify in court what they observed when they were conducting those tests.

Because of a particularly bad accident that had occurred at approximately the same time in that jurisdiction, none of their specially trained paramedics were available.

The driver was allowed to make a phone call to someone who would pick him up. He was charged with possession of marijuana, but he was not charged with DUI.

I am no expert, but if a city with the vast resources of Greenwood Village uses the method I just described on a regular basis in cases in which they suspect marijuana impaired driving, I suspect that the chemical testing methods at their disposal currently are ineffective in court. That would trouble me.
Yeah, I know there's not a good law for it right now. I know the state legislature debated a law that would add a maximum level in terms of nanograms of THC or something like that, but there are a lot of criticisms of that method's accuracy.

Though I don't think driving while high is as bad as driving drunk, I'd prefer not letting people drive impaired no matter the substance.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #126
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:25 PM   #127
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Check this out. Cannabinoids, like those found in marijuana, occur naturally in human breast milk.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036526_ca...#ixzz2BThuL3ft
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Check this out. Cannabinoids, like those found in marijuana, occur naturally in human breast milk.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036526_ca...#ixzz2BThuL3ft
And the human body produces opioid-peptides. Legalize heroin.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:42 PM   #129
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Losing so far 53% to 47%. 1% of votes in.
It's the reverse of that at the moment.

http://data.denverpost.com/election/...ize-marijuana/
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And the human body produces opioid-peptides. Legalize heroin.
Opiates are legal. Morphine is poppy based.
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Some opiates are legal. Legalize heroin.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:04 PM   #133
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Yeah, the MMJ industry here has clearly paved the way for this amendment to pass. It really is essentially legalized here already. All you have to do is know the right places to go and complain about your "chronic pain" and you're set.

While that in and of itself probably isn't a good thing, the fact that everyone knows that's basically how it works has caused the general public to realize that it's basically been legal here for years, and everything's fine. No huge uptick in teen usage (which has actually declined a bit), no major issue with traffic accidents (DUIs have declined a bit), no major issues with domestic violence, etc. Essentially, a lot of people have realized that the world isn't going to end if it is legalized.

The only major concerns that I have are:

1. What will the feds' response be? They have mostly looked the other way for medical MMJ, but recreational could very well create an all-out battle.

2. What will the impact be on the tourism industry? It could very well go either way. Some people might stay away because of legal pot, but others may come here just for that. My guess is that it's a net neutral impact, but tough to say.

3. How will this impact other neighboring states? Will people start coming to Colorado to buy it, then smuggle it out to other areas of the country? That's not a good thing, though you could probably argue that it's better to be benefiting legal businesses SOMEWHERE than the black market.

Anyway, I'm hopeful that it passes and very curious to watch the battle unfold. Frankly, I think A64 in Colorado is a more exciting race than the POTUS race this year. At least one of the two options is appealing.
1. The fed response may be to try to fight it in the courts, if at all.

2. I don't live in colorado, but I go there a lot. Weed is already everywhere, on every ski slope, on every trailhead, in every little boutique mountain town. Tourism isn't going to be affected by this, certainly not negatively.

3. Hell yes, people are going to come to colorado to buy. It is a good thing for colorado, it's MONEY.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:17 PM   #134
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Some opiates are legal. Legalize heroin.
Heroin is a processed compound produced from the poppy. It is a pharmaceutical drug.

Marijuana is a plant. It requires ZERO processing. It is absolutely no different than the tomatoes or strawberries I grow in my garden.

Get that bullshit outta here.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:20 PM   #135
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Massachusetts legalized medical marijuana.
The proposed law would eliminate state criminal and civil penalties for the medical use of marijuana by qualifying patients. To qualify, a patient must have been diagnosed with a debilitating medical condition, such as cancer, glaucoma, HIV-positive status or AIDS, hepatitis C, Crohnís disease, Parkinsonís disease, ALS, or multiple sclerosis.

I guess it's a start. Still doesn't make sense why people can't have this when they are allowed to drink alcohol.
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