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Old 11-05-2012, 07:31 PM  
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610 Sports Big Show-Pioli is the only talent evaluator

Listening to it today, Jaycie Pearson said he talks with someone in the know and they told him Pioli's the only real talent evaluator and the rest of his guys are just number crunchers. Thus the Poe pick.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:22 PM   #121
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The guy at the top of the pass blocking list for every OT in the NFL.

He's been to the Pro Bowl?
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:23 PM   #122
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WTF?

How would anybody on the offensive line know what a ****ing pass block is when we don't pass the ball more than three yards on slant dumpoffs off of three step drops.

Pass block? The ****ing Chiefs have no ****ing idea what that means.
The problem is, you're obsessed with the one part of the team that actually isn't bad.

When Orton was QB, this o-line gave up 1 sack in 3 games. When Haley was coaching this team, we ran the ball very well, even with 3rd string RBs.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:24 PM   #123
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Cassel's Reckoning you really vest a lot of power in random numbers that i bet you couldn't explain. How do you measure a LT's pass blocking numerically? Because the rest of the shit line let their guy beat him before Albert had a chance to? That graph is retarded.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:25 PM   #124
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He's been to the Pro Bowl?
Like the pro bowl means ANYTHING.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:29 PM   #125
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He's been to the Pro Bowl?
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:30 PM   #126
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Cassel's Reckoning you really vest a lot of power in random numbers that i bet you couldn't explain. How do you measure a LT's pass blocking numerically? Because the rest of the shit line let their guy beat him before Albert had a chance to? That graph is retarded.
You know what's retarded?

Your brain.

PFF grades players either positively or negatively for a given play. It's pretty easy to tell if a LT is doing his job on a given pass blocking snap, since he's gonna be matched up 1 on 1 vs a defender.

It's no coincidence the top of that list is stacked with guys like Joe Thomas and Andrew Whitworth...and Ryan Clady, who is now in discussions for a new contract he's playing so well.

Whether you put stock into those grades or not is irrelevant. He has only allowed one sack this season and that is absolutely phenomenal.

Get a clue.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:30 PM   #127
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This Cassels Reckoning fgt just neg'ed me. I wonder if sometimes his face turns red that he doesn't have the opportunity to "Neg" Pioli on a message board.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:32 PM   #128
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You know what's retarded?

Your brain.

PFF grades players either positively or negatively for a given play. It's pretty easy to tell if a LT is doing his job on a given pass blocking snap, since he's gonna be matched up 1 on 1 vs a defender.

It's no coincidence the top of that list is stacked with guys like Joe Thomas and Andrew Whitworth...and Ryan Clady, who is now in discussions for a new contract he's playing so well.

Whether you put stock into those grades or not is irrelevant. He has only allowed one sack this season and that is absolutely phenomenal.

Get a clue.
Sorry let me rephrase then. You don't vest a lot of power into numbers, you vest it into subjective opinions of the nerds over at Profootballtalk. Those guys should be given the keys to an organization.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:34 PM   #129
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The problem is, you're obsessed with the one part of the team that actually isn't bad.

When Orton was QB, this o-line gave up 1 sack in 3 games. When Haley was coaching this team, we ran the ball very well, even with 3rd string RBs.
I'm not obsessed with it.

I think the line is just fine.

I'm okay at this point with Albert. He's mediocre. But it's not like we're going to find something better at this point as he's four years into the league and basically entrenched at the spot.

Asamoah is not good. But there are plenty of potential guards on this roster that are good enough to fill in if he continues to shit the bed.

But I also find it amazing that C.E.'s new obsession with PFF doesn't show that the Chiefs are 25th in the league in passing yards, 30th in the league in yards per pass, 28th in 20+ yard passes and dead last in passing TD's and passes over 40 yards, but, yet are 17th in the league in pass attempts. (We also lead the league in interceptions.)

All he sees is that Albert and Winston are two of the top eight pass protectors in the league at the tackle position.

He doesn't see the reason for that ranking. That the Chiefs are dumping the ball off as fast as possible in the shortest routes possible. It elevates the pass protection "stats" for our tackles as they don't have to truly pass protect in the strictest sense of the word.
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This Cassels Reckoning fgt just neg'ed me. I wonder if sometimes his face turns red that he doesn't have the opportunity to "Neg" Pioli on a message board.
Wrong. I don't have the ability to give neg rep.

Please leave this board and go back to the turnip patch you crawled out of.
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This Cassels Reckoning fgt just neg'ed me. I wonder if sometimes his face turns red that he doesn't have the opportunity to "Neg" Pioli on a message board.
I just negged you for bitching about rep. I'm sure you can expect more incoming from others, too.

If you have a question about an advanced stat website that nfln, ESPN and most NFL teams actually use, ask them.

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Old 11-05-2012, 10:37 PM   #132
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I'm okay at this point with Albert. He's mediocre.
Explain how the top-rated pass blocker can POSSIBLY be mediocre.


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But I also find it amazing that C.E.'s new obsession with PFF doesn't show that the Chiefs are 25th in the league in passing yards, 30th in the league in yards per pass, 28th in 20+ yard passes and dead last in passing TD's and passes over 40 yards, but, yet are 17th in the league in pass attempts.
DUDE, ALBERT IS NOT THE QUARTERBACK.

Are you seriously this ****ing stupid?

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It elevates the pass protection "stats" for our tackles as they don't have to truly pass protect in the strictest sense of the word.
That's just ****ing stupid. Albert has blocked for plenty of five and seven stop drops this year.

You have no idea what you are watching.
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I'm not obsessed with it.

I think the line is just fine.

I'm okay at this point with Albert. He's mediocre. But it's not like we're going to find something better at this point as he's four years into the league and basically entrenched at the spot.

Asamoah is not good. But there are plenty of potential guards on this roster that are good enough to fill in if he continues to shit the bed.

But I also find it amazing that C.E.'s new obsession with PFF doesn't show that the Chiefs are 25th in the league in passing yards, 30th in the league in yards per pass, 28th in 20+ yard passes and dead last in passing TD's and passes over 40 yards, but, yet are 17th in the league in pass attempts. (We also lead the league in interceptions.)

All he sees is that Albert and Winston are two of the top eight pass protectors in the league at the tackle position.

He doesn't see the reason for that ranking. That the Chiefs are dumping the ball off as fast as possible in the shortest routes possible. It elevates the pass protection "stats" for our tackles as they don't have to truly pass protect in the
strictest sense of the word.
Brady Quinn andatt Cassel take 5-6 seconds to find the open man on a crossing route that is less than 10 yards...and the line is giving them that time.

Seriously bro, you KILL your cred when you talk about the OL.
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I'm not obsessed with it.

I think the line is just fine.

I'm okay at this point with Albert. He's mediocre. But it's not like we're going to find something better at this point as he's four years into the league and basically entrenched at the spot.

Asamoah is not good. But there are plenty of potential guards on this roster that are good enough to fill in if he continues to shit the bed.

But I also find it amazing that C.E.'s new obsession with PFF doesn't show that the Chiefs are 25th in the league in passing yards, 30th in the league in yards per pass, 28th in 20+ yard passes and dead last in passing TD's and passes over 40 yards, but, yet are 17th in the league in pass attempts. (We also lead the league in interceptions.)

All he sees is that Albert and Winston are two of the top eight pass protectors in the league at the tackle position.

He doesn't see the reason for that ranking. That the Chiefs are dumping the ball off as fast as possible in the shortest routes possible. It elevates the pass protection "stats" for our tackles as they don't have to truly pass protect in the strictest sense of the word.
Actually, they are not. They are throwing a ton of check downs, which requires you to still protect up to that point. Especially given that Cassel will stare down his primary, then check down.

And that's balanced out by defenses stacking the entire box instead of keeping them on their toes.

The o-line was fine protecting Orton.
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Look at Albert's magnificent blocking on this play. He gets out late and recovers and gives his QB a chance to throw it deep. This is a PB LT.

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