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Old 01-03-2014, 01:54 PM   #391
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On the other hand, I also believe it's a remote possibility that there are a ton of productive pot smokers out there in the world that we've never heard about because of the obvious social stigma associated with it. Who knows - it's not completely out of the question that many perfectly productive people will be attracted to the state too.

Time will tell.
There really really are. Everyone from bankers to doctors to lawyers to mechanics to welders to freaking social workers, as is the case with one woman I... um... heard of.

Where I live, there isn't a family here that doesn't have a pot smoker within maybe 2 or 3 degrees of separation. You just only hear about the stupid shits.
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:58 PM   #392
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There really really are. Everyone from bankers to doctors to lawyers to mechanics to welders to freaking social workers, as is the case with one woman I... um... heard of.

Where I live, there isn't a family here that doesn't have a pot smoker within maybe 2 or 3 degrees of separation. You just only hear about the stupid shits.
I have found this to be true.
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:59 PM   #393
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It will take a cultural change rather than a legal change. If an employer loses out on too much talent because they drug test, they'll stop doing it. I'm fine with that. The Feds have said that they are backing off states where it is being decriminalized to allow the experiment. There will still be specific instances where they will get involved, but the AG stated that the administration wants to see how this pans out.
Most of the time its built into business insurance policies.
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Most of the time its built into business insurance policies.
True:

One of the ways a business may be able to save workers' compensation premium dollars is through the establishment of a drug-free workplace policy. In fact, if your company intends to receive federal projects or grants, a drug-free workplace policy is mandatory since the implementation of the Drug-free Workplace Act in 1988. Many states (including mine) have passed similar laws with regard to state projects and grants. Also, employers can face significant administrative and civil penalties for damage and injuries caused by impaired employees. So, a drug-free workplace policy just makes sense.

http://businessinsure.about.com/od/w...a/wcdiscdf.htm
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Heh...in looking around just now, apparently the Denver Post now has a completely separate website specifically for weed news.

http://www.thecannabist.co/
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Heh...in looking around just now, apparently the Denver Post now has a completely separate website specifically for weed news.

http://www.thecannabist.co/
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Even as a big proponent to this whole thing, this stuff worries me. I'm all for pot tourists coming in and spending money in our state, but I don't want the quality of our workforce to suffer in the long run.

On the other hand, I also believe it's a remote possibility that there are a ton of productive pot smokers out there in the world that we've never heard about because of the obvious social stigma associated with it. Who knows - it's not completely out of the question that many perfectly productive people will be attracted to the state too.

Time will tell.
I wasn't a fan of legalization from a social perspective, but I can see the other side's argument and had moved toward the fence. If 50+ percent of the people in the state want it I'm willing to go along with the experiment. My business thrives on uncertainty and change, so I'll probably come out a winner personally.

And yeah, I'm sure that a majority of the population of smokers are productive people. If 10 percent of the population over 25 smokes marijuana (the latest estimate I've read), the numbers argue for it. And I personally know people that I respect a lot who use it.

My concern is that those people already have jobs in Chicago or Charleston or Boise, and they have actual lives. They're probably not going to say, "Ohhh, weed", and pack up the car and move here. The ones who say, "Ohhh, weed", and pack up and move here are the ones who have nothing else to do and are just watching TV all day. Of course, they're also the group who probably will get distracted or bored halfway through the trip, so they'll all end up living in Kansas or Utah.

As your bit of trivia for the day, I read estimates recently that 2/3 of marijuana consumption by volume is by the 18 percent of users who smoke more than 20 days per month. So if 20 percent of the adult population uses marijuana, 2/3rd of the market volume is being purchased by less than 4 percent of the population.
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It will take a cultural change rather than a legal change. If an employer loses out on too much talent because they drug test, they'll stop doing it. I'm fine with that. The Feds have said that they are backing off states where it is being decriminalized to allow the experiment. There will still be specific instances where they will get involved, but the AG stated that the administration wants to see how this pans out.
Employers still have to deal with insurance. What will it do to their workman's comp rates if they don't drug screen?
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Heh...in looking around just now, apparently the Denver Post now has a completely separate website specifically for weed news.

http://www.thecannabist.co/
That website is hilarious. I never thought i'd see the day...commercialized MJ.

It's kinda neat to take a look at the subculture that prohibition played a huge hand in creating.
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I wasn't a fan of legalization from a social perspective, but I can see the other side's argument and had moved toward the fence. If 50+ percent of the people in the state want it I'm willing to go along with the experiment. My business thrives on uncertainty and change, so I'll probably come out a winner personally.

And yeah, I'm sure that a majority of the population of smokers are productive people. If 10 percent of the population over 25 smokes marijuana (the latest estimate I've read), the numbers argue for it. And I personally know people that I respect a lot who use it.

My concern is that those people already have jobs in Chicago or Charleston or Boise, and they have actual lives. They're probably not going to say, "Ohhh, weed", and pack up the car and move here. The ones who say, "Ohhh, weed", and pack up and move here are the ones who have nothing else to do and are just watching TV all day. Of course, they're also the group who probably will get distracted or bored halfway through the trip, so they'll all end up living in Kansas or Utah.

As your bit of trivia for the day, I read estimates recently that 2/3 of marijuana consumption by volume is by the 18 percent of users who smoke more than 20 days per month. So if 20 percent of the adult population uses marijuana, 2/3rd of the market volume is being purchased by less than 4 percent of the population.
I think you're overly worried about the amount of people who are going to want to move to CO just for the weed. I'd guess it'd be an extremely small group of people.

Pot is abundant everywhere and it being illegal in certain states never stopped anyone from smoking it.

Pot is legal in CO. Great. But i've been smoking it for years here in CA with no repercussions and it's very, very easy to get. Pot being legal simply isn't incentive enough to get up and switch states....especially for a stoner.

I could imagine there being a shit load of tourism though.
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I think you're overly worried about the amount of people who are going to want to move to CO just for the weed. I'd guess it'd be an extremely small group of people.

Pot is abundant everywhere and it being illegal in certain states never stopped anyone from smoking it.

Pot is legal in CO. Great. But i've been smoking it for years here in CA with no repercussions and it's very, very easy to get. Pot being legal simply isn't incentive enough to get up and switch states....especially for a stoner.

I could imagine there being a shit load of tourism though.
People have been making stupid choices in the name of smoking weed for a long time. This will bring in morons in droves.
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