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GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:50 PM   #256
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Did you run into Beyonce while taking your Democratic high road? How about Ellen Barkin? I could go on and on if you really want to go down the extremist celebrity road.

I guess we can't call Ellen Barkin a racist since she's white. Or at least appears to be. Of course, I've actually met Kotter in person, and while most probably assume he's a minority woman, he's actually white, too!
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Funny, your stupid bullshit is a "reasonable interpretation," yet what HemiEd posted must have been written by Beck or Limbaugh, right?

**** you, clown.
Hell, he admitted it was from an email; I've listened to those very comments from both those clowns over the years, so it's hardly a stretch. Later, Tim.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #257
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I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised then; economists and the CBO both have been saying, regardless of who wins, the economy has a good chance to rebound over the next four years.

And that stock market dip....pretty standard fare for the day after an election....not that that will probably make a difference for you. Try to realize that life ain't gonna be nearly as bad as the RWNJs are saying.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...ky-for-stocks/
I appreciate your optimistic outlook, and would be thrilled if I thought it had a 20% chance of being right. Maybe we can all get a job with the federal government as it continues to grow.

I am actually in an industry that has proven to be about 6 months ahead of the economy curve over the last twenty years. Slow downs due to uncertainty are normal during most elections, but this year sentiment went beyond normal when it was obvious Obama was going to win again.

When adding the impact the Obamacare is going to have on small business, we are going to be forced to layoff a lot of people.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:55 PM   #258
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You realize you could go on twitter and find plenty of ugly things said about Mitt Romney and Republicans, right?
I am sure but I didn't find it Mediaite did. He had a mini Trump meltdown on Twitter today
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:57 PM   #259
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Rush brought up some good points today.....

We are now a majority nation of children where Santa Claus wins over hard work.

He says the GOP has tried to reach out to minorities and it still fails...




We had Suzanne Martinez, female Hispanic governor, New Mexico. We had Condoleezza Rice, African-American, former secretary of state. Both of those people imminently qualified, terrifically achieved. They have reached the pinnacles of their profession.


We had Marco Rubio. We had a parade of minorities who have become successful Americans. And they all had a common story: up from nothing, hard work, their parents sacrificed for them. Now, why didn't that work, folks?



http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...nta_claus_wins
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:57 PM   #260
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Did you run into Beyonce while taking your Democratic high road? How about Ellen Barkin? I could go on and on if you really want to go down the extremist celebrity road.

I guess we can't call Ellen Barkin a racist since she's white. Or at least appears to be. Of course, I've actually met Kotter in person, and while most probably assume he's a minority woman, he's actually white, too!
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Then this morning, he proclaims, "well all of those celebs are smart people, and they supported Obama, so he must be the best for the job."
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:58 PM   #261
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I appreciate your optimistic outlook, and would be thrilled if I thought it had a 20% chance of being right. Maybe we can all get a job with the federal government as it continues to grow.

I am actually in an industry that has proven to be about 6 months ahead of the economy curve over the last twenty years. Slow downs due to uncertainty are normal during most elections, but this year sentiment went beyond normal when it was obvious Obama was going to win again.

When adding the impact the Obamacare is going to have on small business, we are going to be forced to layoff a lot of people.
Well, I hope you are wrong....and suspect you will be.

No doubt times are tough, especially for certain sectors. Bottom-line is there are a whole lot of us who've already experienced the sort of pain and sacrifice that others may experience too; it sucks. However, at the end of the day, there does seem to be a consensus among many (most of whom did not vote for Romney) that things are, finally, on the right track. Doesn't mean we are out of the woods, but here is to hoping your pessimism is misplaced. Good luck. Seriously, sir.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:08 PM   #262
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Hell, he admitted it was from an email; I've listened to those very comments from both those clowns over the years, so it's hardly a stretch. Later, Tim.
Well this wasn't from either of them, as far as I know, but that part I quoted very well could be. It still doesn't change the truth in the message, no matter who authored it, as far as I am concerned.
It was sent from the owner of our company. Here is the whole letter, from a 53 year old man. I don't think Rush is worried about where his next meal is coming from.

"Please remove me from your political email distribution list ... I am sorry and a bit embarrassed to say that I simply no longer have hope about the future of America and how this country functions!

If the majority of the people in this country have really decided that Barack Obama and his policies have done a good enough job to earn four more years as the leader of this once great and proud country I am no longer interested in following him, or this government.

This election cycle was a cut and dry choice as to the direction of this country. In my opinion we have traveled over the waterfall and there is no possibility of recovery. I have lost all hope for this country and my patriotic spirit has been crushed.

This evenings election results, and its long term ramifications, will be recorded as the turning point when the final chapter of this great democracy was written. Soon America will no longer be blessed as being the world's superpower.

As history will look back on it, America had a pretty good 236 year run. Due to changing demographics in this country we are now on an irreversible journey.

Today there is a large, growing segments of our population that have been given certain privileges and unsustainable social programs by politicians whom they have elected. This very powerful group of elected officials have seduced and manipulated these voters and will continue to reward them as long as they continue to harness their votes in future elections.

Unfortunately my vote and my opinion are no longer relevant in this country. I, as a 53 year old male Caucasian that has struggled to support my family, no longer have a voice in this country.

I am simply a source of income to fund various entitlement programs that were initiated with good intentions but have unfortunately spun out of control.


This was expressed perfectly by an unknown author when they phrased it like this ... "We have transformed ourselves into a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

Read and re-read this statement and it's truth will become evident. I will continue to help my fellow man in a personal, one on one manner when I can, as opposed to watching a prostituted governmental system siphon off my earnings and pass them along to individuals I have never, nor will ever meet.

I will more passionately pray to God asking Him to forgive what had become a morally bankrupt America and also ask Him to continue to bless this country, even though we have removed Him from increasingly more and more facets of this society. I have written and expressed these views because we are still in a country that allows freedom of speech protected by the Constitution.

Unfortunately, like the founding fathers stated in the Declaration of Independence concerning our unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, I fear this privilege will also be only a memory."
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Gosh, that was a good one! Really a good one. Ha-ha. Nice. Stay classy, man.



Hell, he admitted it was from an email; I've listened to those very comments from both those clowns over the years, so it's hardly a stretch. Later, Tim.
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Well, I hope you are wrong....and suspect you will be.

No doubt times are tough, especially for certain sectors. Bottom-line is there are a whole lot of us who've already experienced the sort of pain and sacrifice that others may experience too; it sucks. However, at the end of the day, there does seem to be a consensus among many (most of whom did not vote for Romney) that things are, finally, on the right track. Doesn't mean we are out of the woods, but here is to hoping your pessimism is misplaced. Good luck. Seriously, sir.
I appreciate the well wishes, thanks. But this is not the beginning of the hard times for our industry.

The cream of it left shortly after Clinton signed the NAFTA bill and went to Mexico.

Then in '99 when a huge vacuum was created by companies vacating to China, it got really tough as we want to live and work here.

But we have reinvented ourselves twice now, and will continue to do so. We have succeeded this far by using, selling and distributing only U.S. made products.
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HemiEd--that letter from your boss is truly beyond the pale for me. IMHO "The sky is falling" reactions by anyone at this point are simply irrational histrionics and hyperbole, that is rooted in the brain-washing they've received from talk radio and RWNJ views of the country. FTR, the left...with their moonbat, over-the-top reactions to George W. were also beyond the pale. Such hysteria, IMHO...serves no useful purpose, other than to create a poor-poor-pitiful-me psychology which becomes self-defeating.

Good luck to that man, in regaining a grip on reality. Wish him the best. Wow.
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Well this wasn't from either of them, as far as I know, but that part I quoted very well could be. It still doesn't change the truth in the message, no matter who authored it, as far as I am concerned.
It was sent from the owner of our company. Here is the whole letter, from a 53 year old man. I don't think Rush is worried about where his next meal is coming from.

"Please remove me from your political email distribution list ... I am sorry and a bit embarrassed to say that I simply no longer have hope about the future of America and how this country functions!

If the majority of the people in this country have really decided that Barack Obama and his policies have done a good enough job to earn four more years as the leader of this once great and proud country I am no longer interested in following him, or this government.

This election cycle was a cut and dry choice as to the direction of this country. In my opinion we have traveled over the waterfall and there is no possibility of recovery. I have lost all hope for this country and my patriotic spirit has been crushed.

This evenings election results, and its long term ramifications, will be recorded as the turning point when the final chapter of this great democracy was written. Soon America will no longer be blessed as being the world's superpower.

As history will look back on it, America had a pretty good 236 year run. Due to changing demographics in this country we are now on an irreversible journey.

Today there is a large, growing segments of our population that have been given certain privileges and unsustainable social programs by politicians whom they have elected. This very powerful group of elected officials have seduced and manipulated these voters and will continue to reward them as long as they continue to harness their votes in future elections.

Unfortunately my vote and my opinion are no longer relevant in this country. I, as a 53 year old male Caucasian that has struggled to support my family, no longer have a voice in this country.

I am simply a source of income to fund various entitlement programs that were initiated with good intentions but have unfortunately spun out of control.


This was expressed perfectly by an unknown author when they phrased it like this ... "We have transformed ourselves into a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

Read and re-read this statement and it's truth will become evident. I will continue to help my fellow man in a personal, one on one manner when I can, as opposed to watching a prostituted governmental system siphon off my earnings and pass them along to individuals I have never, nor will ever meet.

I will more passionately pray to God asking Him to forgive what had become a morally bankrupt America and also ask Him to continue to bless this country, even though we have removed Him from increasingly more and more facets of this society. I have written and expressed these views because we are still in a country that allows freedom of speech protected by the Constitution.

Unfortunately, like the founding fathers stated in the Declaration of Independence concerning our unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, I fear this privilege will also be only a memory."


This from a long-time Latino American business owner. It's about American Exceptionalism that lost out last night to statism. It truly is a sad day for America. Blaming angry white men is just stupid.

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This from a long-time Latino American business owner. It's about American Exceptionalism that lost out last night to statism. It truly is a sad day for America. Blaming angry white men is just stupid.

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Oh please, American Exceptionalism is the claim of the phoney right-wing NeoConservatives.
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HemiEd--that letter from your boss is truly beyond the pale for me. IMHO "The sky is falling" reactions by anyone at this point are simply irrational histrionics and hyperbole, that is rooted in the brain-washing they've received from talk radio and RWNJ views of the country. FTR, the left...with their moonbat, over-the-top reactions to George W. were also beyond the pale. Such hysteria, IMHO...serves no useful purpose, other than to create a poor-poor-pitiful-me psychology which becomes self-defeating.

Good luck to that man, in regaining a grip on reality. Wish him the best. Wow.
Stereotypes, We are a woman owned business.

For some of us, the sky really is falling with this election. It is reality, we have been living it. I am a pissed off old white man.

But you are not a baby boomer that has worked for 50 years, without spending a single day on un-employment, saving for and looking forward to the "golden years" of relaxing and enjoying what you put together.

Then to see that savings devalued to about half in four years, due to bank bailouts and cash for clunkers programs and all that bullshit. Free enterprise says that failing businesses should fail. Pick up the pieces and move on.

I didn't live in a house that was beyond my means, or drive a clunker, but I had to pay for those ****ers that did. Yes, I am pissed off.

Then you have looming devastation that is going to happen to medicare in six months when it is raped to pay for Obamacare. Obama and his cronies know there at too many of us that will be aging and needing this care, and the current health care practices of the "greatest generation" can not be sustained. So we are going to get shorted, pain pills and end of life consulting.

Our generation is paying more into SS than it will ever receive and our children will have it even worse due to the huge debt.

Yeah, I am a pissed off old white man.
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It was a line in an email I received this morning, with no author. It is how I see things, so I adopted it.

Two elections in a row, the Republicans presented a candidate that had some actual qualifications well beyond that of a community organizer, with no credentials other than he was black, well dressed and spoke eloquently.

I trusted both of the other candidates to have the countries best interest at heart, Obama not so much.

Instead, "The Majority" made up of combined previous minorities elect a man that has never even ran a convenience store. He has zero qualifications in my opinion.

They elect a man that is going to "re-distribute the wealth" (give them free shit that someone else earned) and will continue to grow the federal government until it can no longer be sustained.

The stock market is down 300 points today, and I think that is only the beginning. But carry on, as a school teacher in a unpopulated state, you will be somewhat isolated from the repercussions of last night.
Sensationalism at it's finest. Other than being a Governor, which is debatable at how well he did that, what does Romney ever earned.

Obama was at least in the Senate. And, and now he has as mentioned 4 years of experience as PotUS.

And again, stock markets drop after every election.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:03 PM   #270
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Sensationalism at it's finest. Other than being a Governor, which is debatable at how well he did that, what does Romney ever earned.
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