GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

[Mr. Kotter]

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by gochiefs_va

Well I've said before that the true genius of the Democratic Party is getting everyone hooked in social services, then they can just say the other guy is going to take then away. Now they have an entire generation hooked on the govt tit. They will always vote democratic, for ever.

I do agree that republicans have to find a way to bridge the gap. There are some things that can so this.

However almost all of the rural hometown areas remain republican, so when shit hits the fan and it all crumbles those big cities are going to eat each other, while those of us in the small towns will be sitting back and laughing

Yep. The legal way to buy votes...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by NewChief

And let me say that the Left does the same thing by trying to act like the Right are a bunch of racist fatcats trying to **** the lower class.

Yep. When actually the Left keeps them prisioneers of all the social services.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Brock

Nothing says presidential like being born on third base.

And here I thought it was voting present.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by NewChief

I hate to tell you guys this, but all democratic voters aren't dependent on social services. I know it's comforting to believe that and dismiss the other side as a bunch of lazy assholes who don't know how to work, but it's not true. On top of that, there are PLENTY of voters who take social services and vote solidly Republican.

This dismissive, reductionist attitude toward the opposition is, once again, one of the reasons that the GOP is struggling.

I hate to tell you this friend - the facts and numbers don't lie. Educate yourself first on how the welfare population votes and then come back with edits. You're right about one thing - they do know "how" to work - they just don't "want" to work.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by gochiefs_va

However almost all of the rural hometown areas remain republican, so when shit hits the fan and it all crumbles those big cities are going to eat each other, while those of us in the small towns will be sitting back and laughing

Because nobody in those small towns are drawing a welfare check or eating off food stamps. Good grief.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by TEX

I hate to tell you this friend - the facts and numbers don't lie. Educate yourself first on how the welfare population votes and then come back with edits. You're right about one thing - they do know "how" to work - they just don't "want" to work.

So you maintain that ALL democrat voters take social services? And that NO Republican voters do? Please educate me with some facts and numbers proving that.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

Because nobody in those small towns are drawing a welfare check or eating off food stamps. Good grief.

Come on Brock. You know that good country people don't take no handouts from the government!



They need to come down to Arkansas sometime. Let me introduce them to some of my "kin." They sure as hell won't vote for Obama, but the definitely like them some gubment cheese.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by TEX

I hate to tell you this friend - the facts and numbers don't lie. Educate yourself first on how the welfare population votes and then come back with edits. You're right about one thing - they do know "how" to work - they just don't "want" to work.

No kidding on this. I know a couple of business owners that opened a new location these last couple of months, said finding help was hard - had people that couldn't start because they didn't want to get off unemployment. They wanted to keep the government gravy train going instead of an acutal paycheck. Sad really.

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by TEX

I hate to tell you this friend - the facts and numbers don't lie. Educate yourself first on how the welfare population votes and then come back with edits. You're right about one thing - they do know "how" to work - they just don't "want" to work.

What percentage of the voting population makes less than $30K, excluding those in college?

Here's my theory: the percentage of voters who make over $30K greatly outweighs the percentage of voters who make less than that.

Care to look into that?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by kaplin42

Nope. If you read my comment, I said earned.

So, you think Mitt didn't "earn" his success?

Link?

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by NewChief

Come on Brock. You know that good country people don't take no handouts from the government!



They need to come down to Arkansas sometime. Let me introduce them to some of my "kin." They sure as hell won't vote for Obama, but the definitely like them some gubment cheese.

Anecdotal I know, but about the only people on welfare I personally know are Mrs. Radar’s step brothers and sisters that all live in and around Humboldt, KS. Couple of generations deep into welfare riding, worthless assed meth cooking burdens on society, and they’re all staunch Democrats.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Literature

What percentage of the voting population makes less than $30K, excluding those in college?

Here's my theory: the percentage of voters who make over $30K greatly outweighs the percentage of voters who make less than that.

Care to look into that?

I don't know where you live but in this state, the state government says the poverty line is $42K. When you move the line from $30K to $42K, you include hundreds of thousands of people in this state.

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't know where you live but in this state, the state government says the poverty line is $42K. When you move the line from $30K to $42K, you include hundreds of thousands of people in this state.

I'm talking individuals.

I live in your state. $42K is a good salary in Iowa.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Stereotypes, We are a woman owned business.

For some of us, the sky really is falling with this election. It is reality, we have been living it. I am a pissed off old white man.

But you are not a baby boomer that has worked for 50 years, without spending a single day on un-employment, saving for and looking forward to the "golden years" of relaxing and enjoying what you put together.

Then to see that savings devalued to about half in four years, due to bank bailouts and cash for clunkers programs and all that bullshit. Free enterprise says that failing businesses should fail. Pick up the pieces and move on.

I didn't live in a house that was beyond my means, or drive a clunker, but I had to pay for those ****ers that did. Yes, I am pissed off.

Then you have looming devastation that is going to happen to medicare in six months when it is raped to pay for Obamacare. Obama and his cronies know there at too many of us that will be aging and needing this care, and the current health care practices of the "greatest generation" can not be sustained. So we are going to get shorted, pain pills and end of life consulting.

Our generation is paying more into SS than it will ever receive and our children will have it even worse due to the huge debt.

Yeah, I am a pissed off old white man.

I don't understand how you could be so convinced that the problems you describe are solely attributable to the president, or even the Democratic party. Or why you think it would have been so much better, had Romney been elected.

Hell, Romney's Bain was in the business of buying failing businesses, as opposed to letting them fail. Bain would buy them, and hack the company to pieces, and absorb them into a bigger conglomerate corporation. Not to mention that Romney was once all over universal health care. He's not exactly the opposite of Obama in that regard.

I'm just not seeing how things drastically change by Romney being elected. Things are shitty, and Obama failed on many things. But never at any time was I convinced that Romney would have been anything other than another shitty politician maintaining status quo. The system wouldn't allow it.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Literature

I'm talking individuals.

I live in your state. $42K is a good salary in Iowa.

For a 25 year old single person, maybe.