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Old 11-07-2012, 08:56 AM  
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GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:55 PM   #331
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I thought a color blind society was not supposed to note something like that?
That's reverse racism.
We are not a color blind society (1) it's called demographics (2) and racism is defined by a feeling of superiority (3)

Noticing a black man standing behind you in line at Wal Mart isn't racism, feeling that you are somewhat superior because he is black is.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:02 PM   #332
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Must be mostly those getting stuff. That's how it was in my kid's dorm.
I wonder, did they post Bibi's reaction to the election results?
Just repeating what the talking heads are saying why Romney lost. But, there has to be something that a small % or our total social economic group supported one party in a two party system. I dont pretend to understand all these breakdowns in the electorate but, thats does stand out to me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:52 PM   #333
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To be more exact 57,776,942 angry americans, nearly 50% of the country. The disappointment in the administration is not a couple of guys with their wives at the hardware store, it is fully half of the o****ry. I wish I had immunity to accountability on my job like the President currently has, would make my life so much easier!
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:05 PM   #334
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To be more exact 57,776,942 angry americans, nearly 50% of the country. The disappointment in the administration is not a couple of guys with their wives at the hardware store, it is fully half of the o****ry. I wish I had immunity to accountability on my job like the President currently has, would make my life so much easier!
We'll put you down as one of the Angry White Men. Thanks for that.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:14 PM   #335
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We'll put you down as one of the Angry White Men. Thanks for that.
So I disagree and that makes me angry? classic, Ithought I would at least get an angry racist label! Just pointing out that the country is split on the job this administration is doing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:15 PM   #336
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So I disagree and that makes me angry? classic, Ithought I would at least get an angry racist label! Just pointing out that the country is split on the job this administration is doing.
The country has been split on the job every ****ing administration since Carter has been doing, then if you're just going to throw out popular numbers of people who vote against someone. That's sort of silly.

For God's sake, the MAJORITY of people voted for Gore in 2000, and he didn't get the job. Have a little perspective, bro.
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The country has been split on the job every ****ing administration since Carter has been doing, then if you're just going to throw out popular numbers of people who vote against someone. That's sort of silly.

For God's sake, the MAJORITY of people voted for Gore in 2000, and he didn't get the job. Have a little perspective, bro.
I was simply responding to the post of Angry White Men, like the only people that voted for Romney or agains President Obama were all angry white men?? I was pointing out that was far from the truth. So I was keeping it in prospective. I never said that the country isn't divided with other administrations, just not sure why it becomes automatically a black/white issu? So 2 posts, I am angry and now silly.
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I was simply responding to the post of Angry White Men, like the only people that voted for Romney or agains President Obama were all angry white men?? I was pointing out that was far from the truth. So I was keeping it in prospective. I never said that the country isn't divided with other administrations, just not sure why it becomes automatically a black/white issu? So 2 posts, I am angry and now silly.
Gotcha gotcha. I was thinking that you were responding to the ongoing discussion, not the OP. It's, of course, reductionist to try to pass this defeat off as "angry white men" riding off into the sunset never to be seen again. The human mind strains for a narrative to impose on complex events. It's an attractive, easy one to toss onto this election. It's not the whole picture, but it's certainly a thread in the tapestry.

I've actually been struck, in the last few days, about how easily our minds latch onto an explanation or a narrative as a way of explaining things. I've been doing it lately with the whole, "the GOP makes it easy to paint themselves as extreme/racist/mysoginistic through their rhetoric." As I stepped back, I realized I was as guilty of making generalization as those who try to pass off the Obama victory as lazy welfare idiots who want to suck at the big government teat. It's an attractive, easy explanation, but it's not accurate.
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I was simply responding to the post of Angry White Men, like the only people that voted for Romney or agains President Obama were all angry white men?? .
okay, he should have labeled the OP 89% of Romney voters are angry white men and women.
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And, btw, welcome back craneref. Seems like you're an old schooler who I haven't seen in a while but remember being one of the "good" ones around these parts.
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Gotcha gotcha. I was thinking that you were responding to the ongoing discussion, not the OP. It's, of course, reductionist to try to pass this defeat off as "angry white men" riding off into the sunset never to be seen again. The human mind strains for a narrative to impose on complex events. It's an attractive, easy one to toss onto this election. It's not the whole picture, but it's certainly a thread in the tapestry.

I've actually been struck, in the last few days, about how easily our minds latch onto an explanation or a narrative as a way of explaining things. I've been doing it lately with the whole, "the GOP makes it easy to paint themselves as extreme/racist/mysoginistic through their rhetoric." As I stepped back, I realized I was as guilty of making generalization as those who try to pass off the Obama victory as lazy welfare idiots who want to suck at the big government teat. It's an attractive, easy explanation, but it's not accurate.
The angry white man may just be a part of the picture. But the big picture is demographics. The R's portion of the countries demographics is getting smaller and smaller every election. That cant obviously continue and they remain a major party before it splinters off.
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And, btw, welcome back craneref. Seems like you're an old schooler who I haven't seen in a while but remember being one of the "good" ones around these parts.
Thanks, I haven't posted for a while. Stationed in Korea and working WAY too many hours, especiallyf or being an old man. I have one guy in particualr that works from me that happens to be a Black Liberal from Chicago, and we have great "discussions" without hurt feeligns or nam calling and I consider him a good friend. Not sure what happend to an America where civil discourse could happen without hurt feelings or viciousness?
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To be more exact 57,776,942 angry americans, nearly 50% of the country. The disappointment in the administration is not a couple of guys with their wives at the hardware store, it is fully half of the o****ry. I wish I had immunity to accountability on my job like the President currently has, would make my life so much easier!
When was the last time 120,000,000 people gave you a job evaluation?
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Thanks, I haven't posted for a while. Stationed in Korea and working WAY too many hours, especiallyf or being an old man. I have one guy in particualr that works from me that happens to be a Black Liberal from Chicago, and we have great "discussions" without hurt feeligns or nam calling and I consider him a good friend. Not sure what happend to an America where civil discourse could happen without hurt feelings or viciousness?
The ****ing internetz happened.

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Just repeating what the talking heads are saying why Romney lost. But, there has to be something that a small % or our total social economic group supported one party in a two party system. I dont pretend to understand all these breakdowns in the electorate but, thats does stand out to me.
Got it.
I was watching Dr. Drew tonight with his panel of disguised liberals. They were discussing how there were mostly young folks ages 18-29 that helped re-elect Obama; that they were a diverse group which they felt bodes well for them. Then Dr. Drew pointed out, that many of that demographic were also leaning libertarian. He didn't seem to happy about that either. I can only hope that the statists could be in decline.
Even Ron Paul had one of his hugest crowds on the Berkley campus. Berkley! Can you imagine that?
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