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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.
The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:10 PM   #151
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There's nothing anti-science about that position. That's like saying that opposition to German eugenics experiments is anti-science.
Umm, no, its not. Eugenics was a social philosophy. In vitro is a scientific process.

That's like comparing dog breeding to sheep cloning.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:20 PM   #152
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No, I do not place too much emphasis on party platform.

Paul Ryan's beliefs were clear, as were several others in the Republican party. Until those beliefs are erased from their platform, they'll never get my vote.
Has Paul Ryan ever submitted or sponsored a bill to ban IVF or are you just intolerant of people who hold personal views that don't match yours?
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #153
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Has Paul Ryan ever submitted or sponsored a bill to ban IVF or are you just intolerant of people who hold personal views that don't match yours?
Intolerant? How could you possibly glean "intolerant"?

How about "Do Not Agree".
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #154
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Umm, no, its not. Eugenics was a social philosophy. In vitro is a scientific process.

That's like comparing dog breeding to sheep cloning.
A eugenics experiment is science not philosophy. My critique was well founded and my example was apt. For that matter selective breeding experimentation is science too.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:27 PM   #155
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Intolerant? How about "Do Not Agree".
You're absolutely refusing to vote for anyone who doesn't agree with you on this subject even when they aren't interested in translating that belief into public policy. Yeah, I'd call that intolerance.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #156
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You're absolutely refusing to vote for anyone who doesn't agree with you on this subject even when they aren't interested in translating that belief into public policy. Yeah, I'd call that intolerance.
Figures.



Nothing changes with you, does it, Pato? ****ing retard.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:32 PM   #157
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A eugenics experiment is science not philosophy. My critique was well founded and my example was apt. For that matter selective breeding experimentation is science too.
Not when you applied "German" to it, assuming you are referring to the Nazis when you say "German". That has a specific connotation to it. In any event, eugenics is still more of a scientific gamble. You have a decent idea what you are shooting for, but there are not many controls.
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1 green or clean coal does not at this point decrease CO 2 emissions. It does reduce sulfate emissions associated with acid rain. We don't hear about acid rains much anymore because of emission standards about Nitrates and Sulfates.
But coal is just carbon. The energy from burning it comes all from Carbon burning to CO2.
Natural Gas by comparison has a bunch of hydrogen as well as carbon. The hydrogen is burned and changes to water HOH. So for equal energy production it does not lead to as much CO 2 being released. Oil is somewhere inbetween depending on what well field source and the finished refined product.
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So we're back to demanding absolute surrender?
You not only have to absolutely surrender on the policy level, but you also need to admit that you no longer believe in those things as private personal views.
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And why are those my religious views then.
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You not only have to absolutely surrender on the policy level, but you also need to admit that you no longer believe in those things as private personal views.
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Not when you applied "German" to it, assuming you are referring to the Nazis when you say "German". That has a specific connotation to it. In any event, eugenics is still more of a scientific gamble. You have a decent idea what you are shooting for, but there are not many controls.
No, even when I say "German".
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The success of a species is its depth of genetic expressions. Eugenics is a reduction of genetics diversity. It is not part of present understanding of most optimum expression of a species.
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No, even when I say "German".
OK, then what are you suggesting in your comparison that is relatable?

If "eugenics" is science, but "German Eugenics" is something one should be morally opposed to, then what is its correspondent reference IVF? In other words:

eugenics and IVF are science

German eugenics and "?" are pseudo-science that should be morally objected to.

That's the problem with your analogy. You try to cut it both ways (IVF is both science and pseudo-science) and hope one doesn't notice the false comparison. In short, what are you suggesting "German IVF" is?
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Here's some common ground. It seems that Democrats AND Republicans can agree that it was cool that Obama killed this American kid:

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