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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:08 PM   #166
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:17 PM   #167
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OK, then what are you suggesting in your comparison that is relatable?

If "eugenics" is science, but "German Eugenics" is something one should be morally opposed to, then what is its correspondent reference IVF? In other words:

eugenics and IVF are science

German eugenics and "?" are pseudo-science that should be morally objected to.

That's the problem with your analogy. You try to cut it both ways (IVF is both science and pseudo-science) and hope one doesn't notice the false comparison. In short, what are you suggesting "German IVF" is?
You are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter whether it's German (or non-German) eugenics or Bolivian milk pasteurization or Chinese open heart surgery. Opposing IVF or any of the above is not an anti-science position if the reason you oppose it is based on something other than an opposition to science. Strict Catholics who oppose IVF oppose it for moral grounds because it interferes with the natural reproductive process between a man and a woman. That's not anti-science.

Nothing about my analogy suggests that IVF is pseudo-science and opposition to IVF (where it exists at all) isn't based on the thinking that it's a pseudoscience. It's amazing that you people believe these things.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:19 PM   #168
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Sorry Saul, I don't seem to be helping your cause of finding common ground.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:26 PM   #169
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Sorry Saul, I don't seem to be helping your cause of finding common ground.
This is no surprise
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:35 PM   #170
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Yeah, I guess I bring out the intolerant, non-compromising, bigot in you. It's certainly not me that has a problem compromising on these issues.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:39 PM   #171
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You are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter whether it's German (or non-German) eugenics or Bolivian milk pasteurization or Chinese open heart surgery. Opposing IVF or any of the above is not an anti-science position if the reason you oppose it is based on something other than an opposition to science. Strict Catholics who oppose IVF oppose it for moral grounds because it interferes with the natural reproductive process between a man and a woman. That's not anti-science.

Nothing about my analogy suggests that IVF is pseudo-science and opposition to IVF (where it exists at all) isn't based on the thinking that it's a pseudoscience. It's amazing that you people believe these things.
I apologize I did miss your point.
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I apologize I did miss your point.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:16 PM   #173
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:33 PM   #174
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:43 PM   #175
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Tell you what, throw in the revocation of the $6k "Tax refunds" to people who don't pay into the system and I'll tell my attorney to work with yours to draw that contract up.
That is the Earned Income Tax credit, and like you, I want it eliminated.
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Probably ought to start by fixing the tax legislation that's going to run up our tax bills by 3700 dollars in January.
You mean, "The Bush tax cuts"?

Naw, we need to let those go up on those rich people.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:50 PM   #179
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The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
I posted this back in 2010. Tell me what you think now.

http://74.86.127.27/BB/showthread.php?t=235893&page=8

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According to fivethirtyeight.com, Republicans are taking the House and Democrats will have a one- or two-seat majority in the Senate.

If that is the case, and as we continue for the next couple years with Obama, obviously we're in for a lot of gridlock. No brainer.

But what actual areas of sweeping agenda items are positively, genuinely possible, in your opinion?

I still think there's tons still possible, even with a Republican House.

You just have to look for topics that (a.) Republicans genuinely want done, and want to campaign on, (b.) Democrats genuinely want it done, and (c.) there's considerable overlap between the two.

Here's some of the topics I think can (and should) be sweeping priorities by the 112nd Congress:

1. Homeland Security. This is an absolute bureaucratic boondoggle. This is the purest example of excessive government. Democrats hate the bureaucratic nightmare, Republicans hate the pricetag. Republicans created this department anyway, so in a sense this can be considered their baby.

2. Immigration reform. It baffles me that this can't be done, seeing how the overlap between the two parties on this front is considerable. Republicans get to put in place some tougher enforcement standards that they continue to strive for, and Democrats can place stricter punishment on employers and might even put in place an arduous path to citizenship.

3. Fannie & Freddie & Tort Reform. These are two items which were largely left out of the sweeping reforms Democrats enacted that Republicans largely wanted included.

4. Education. We're probably not going to get the sweeping reform Obama wanted, so instead he might consider incrementalism this term and save some better items for the next term. I think it's clear that neither party has been thrilled with NCLB, so a partial repeal of NCLB might be in the cards here.

5. General deficit reduction. There are plenty of places in defense, social security, and medicare, that can get moderately pared back. Both parties agree this must be done -- but neither wants to be blamed for it.

6. Lending. Democrats wanted to pass a law in 2010 increasing lending to small businesses. Republicans didn't oppose it, but filibustered it anyway. This is the primary engine for getting the economy going again, and can be passed so long as Republicans may believe they can get more credit for it this time around.

So of course, my list isn't perfect. What are some you might be able to think of?
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:04 PM   #180
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Yeah, I guess I bring out the intolerant, non-compromising, bigot in you. It's certainly not me that has a problem compromising on these issues.
Pato, go **** yourself.

You're a moron AND once again, on the LOSING side.

Which of course, isn't surprising.
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