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Old 11-07-2012, 02:13 PM  
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Beck: Sometimes God Really Sucks

I am sure God cares as much as who is POTUS as who wins a football game

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Conservative radio host Glenn Beck on Wednesday declared that Mitt Romney’s loss to President Barack Obama proved that “sometimes God really sucks.”

As it was becoming apparently that the president was going to be re-elected on Tuesday, Beck had told a panel on his Blaze TV network that “the body of America is even sicker than I thought it was.”

“Twelve years ago, I could say with real assurance that I knew who Americans were,” he explained. “And I can’t say that any more.”

During his radio show the next morning, Beck told listeners that he had realized Romney was going to lose while praying before the polls opened on Tuesday.

“Man, sometimes God really sucks,” the radio host lamented. “I got up yesterday at 3:00 in the morning and I knew. And I couldn’t sleep and I started to say my prayers and I got up and kneeled down by the edge of my bed and I knew that — or I suspected that my mind’s not God’s mind, and the peace and the comfort that he had given me and so many of my friends was not about an election.”

He added: “Just like those Christians that rolled up the Dead Sea Scrolls and put them in pots. I don’t know what happened to those Christians but they hid them. They hid them and they preserved them because it was important. The Bible was never wiped out, but the people who originally wrote the Bible were scattered.”

But in the weeks leading up to Tuesday’s election, Beck had repeatedly said that God was orchestrating Republican nominee’s path to the presidency.

Speaking to his radio listeners in September, he insisted that Romney’s poll numbers had fallen as a part of a plan from God to make it obvious to the American people that divine intervention was responsible when Republicans took the White House in November.

The conservative radio host later speculated that Romney had lost the final debate because he was “being guided” by God to be “less contentious” and agree with President Barack Obama.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:37 AM   #31
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First of all, no. That's ridiculous. Nobody begged God to place a king over anyone except the churches who benefited from that relationship. Secondly the belief that America is directed or controlled by God is a hideous affront to the principles that this country was founded on, and a blank check offered to our government to abuse its power.
How do you explain Godless Soviet Russia and Mao Zedong in China? Were those Theocracies?

Secondly we're not directed or controlled by GOD, but would be blessed if we actually Ruled by him. We have tremendous Freedoms in Christ.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:42 AM   #32
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How do you explain Godless Soviet Russia and Mao Zedong in China? Were those Theocracies?
Sort of, yes. just replacing God with Party.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:44 AM   #33
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Sort of, yes. just replacing God with Party.
Everyone needs a form of religion, so I would argue if it isn't GOD then we turn our favorite person or leader into God.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:45 AM   #34
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Everyone needs a form of religion, so I would argue if it isn't GOD then we turn our favorite person or leader into God.
It's just a need to follow. If what you're doing works for you, that's fine.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:46 AM   #35
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It's just a need to follow. If what you're doing works for you, that's fine.
I submit to you even leaders needed someone to follow or mold them, it's a religious experience.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:48 AM   #36
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I submit to you even leaders needed someone to follow or mold them, it's a religious experience.
Sure, but it could have been their dad. I agree everyone has a model they're following and if they're lucky, it's a good one.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:53 AM   #37
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How do you explain Godless Soviet Russia and Mao Zedong in China? Were those Theocracies?

Secondly we're not directed or controlled by GOD, but would be blessed if we actually Ruled by him. We have tremendous Freedoms in Christ.
That makes no sense within the context of this discussion. What is your point here?


Those are your religious beliefs. I am willing to keep my government out of your religion if you keep your religion out of my government.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:55 AM   #38
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That makes no sense within the context of this discussion. What is your point here?


Those are your religious beliefs. I am willing to keep my government out of your religion if you keep your religion out of my government.
I'm saying i hear from non believers that their greatest fear is a theocracy or a religious zealot. Two of the worst murderers number wise in history come from (one formerly) non religious nations.
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I'm saying i hear from non believers that their greatest fear is a theocracy or a religious zealot. Two of the worst murderers number wise in history come from (one formerly) non religious nations.
And some of the worst state sponsored killings have been done in the name of God. We could go back and forth like that forever.
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And some of the worst state sponsored killings have been done in the name of God. We could go back and forth like that forever.
My point is not to fear believers, but people who are power hungry assholes that would use whatever means necessary to become a dictator.
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Before we continue with this discussion I need you to make something perfectly crystal clear. Do you believe in the divine right of kings?
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Before we continue with this discussion I need you to make something perfectly crystal clear. Do you believe in the divine right of kings?
No, from the dragon or Satan.
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I'm saying i hear from non believers that their greatest fear is a theocracy or a religious zealot. Two of the worst murderers number wise in history come from (one formerly) non religious nations.
Wow....... really? Is that Ken Hovind bible history, or like... actual real history?
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Wow....... really? Is that Ken Hovind bible history, or like... actual real history?
According to the documentary, "Stalin, Portrait of a Monster in Blood." He is estimated to have been responsible for possibly 60 Million Deaths. This is likely an exaggeration, but millions did suffer under his repression.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_p...id_Stalin_kill

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...s-2081630.html

You would disagree with those statements?
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My point is not to fear believers, but people who are power hungry assholes that would use whatever means necessary to become a dictator.
My fear is that believers will elect one of those power hungry assholes.
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