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The Conservative Media Is Lying To You

Conor Friedersdorf ****ing nails it. If you bathe in the muck of the vast majority of conservative media -- if you read FoxNews.com more than any other site, if you hail Mark Levin as brilliant, if you live and die by Drudge...

Then you are being lied to.

There are plenty of conservative sources that simply have a conservative view on the world -- the Wall Street Journal, for instance. But that's distinct from the profitable media empire that sells propaganda damn near 24/7.

Example #1, since it comes up so much in this forum: the Drudge Report.

How many times did the Drudge Report link to Nate Silver, who absolutely crushed his election predictions? Zero.
How many times did the Drudge Report link to Dick Morris? A dozen.

And yet you bought it. You might recall sitting there watching the election returns, certain that Romney would win because for months you've been inundated with Republican whores like Morris telling you what you wanted to hear -- "Obama's a paper tiger," "his campaign is getting desperate," "absolutely nobody I know is voting Obama," "I see more Romney yard signs," "look at this outlier poll that favors Romney"...

Then the results come in, largely how the vast majority of polls told us they would.

You were misinformed. Massively. And it's not just limited to election returns. On climate change, tax rates, income inequality, immigration, healthcare, energy, foreign policy (in particular the Middle East), gay rights for the longest time, and of course Obama himself... You are being sold a bullshit platter that leaves you just as misinformed as you were about the prospective election results.

The biggest offender, of course, is Fox News. Not that they're the most egregious violators of conservative propaganda, but they're by far the most pervasive and the most influential.

You trust Fox News because you believe they are simply reporting from a conservative point of view. That's not true. They are actively selling bullshit. This election and Rove's meltdown on the evening of the 6th is proof. This is an organization that is financially and professionally tied to the Republican Party. Fox News' overlords donate heavily to the GOP. Many Republican candidates for the Presidency either end up or originate as Fox News contributors. This is not an independent outlet in any shape or form, it is a direct arm of the Republican Party.

Get out of this bubble. Set Google News as your homepage. And embrace the next four years as an opportunity to find out what you actually believe, rather than simply adopting the narrative of charlatans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...d-file/264855/

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Nate Silver was right. His ideological antagonists were wrong. And that's just the beginning of the right's self-created information disadvantage.
By Conor Friedersdorf
Nov 7 2012, 6:30 AM ET

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely born out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.


Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.

Conservatives should be familiar with its contours. For years, they've been arguing that liberal control of media and academia confers one advantage: Folks on the right can't help but be familiar with the thinking of liberals, whereas leftists can operate entirely within a liberal cocoon. This analysis was offered to explain why liberal ideas were growing weaker and would be defeated.

Today?

It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thinking; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.

But guess what?

You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven't tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they've done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.

Why do you keep putting up with it?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.

Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a "Grand Jihad" against America. Seriously?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who'd lose worse than George McGovern.

How many months were wasted on them?

How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don't Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn't grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man's record nor repudiate it. The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.

In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood's convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama's America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense -- not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there's no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane bullshit. In fact, it's often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption.

On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.

It ought to be an eye-opening moment.

But I expect that it'll be quickly forgotten, that none of the conservatives who touted a polling conspiracy will be discredited, and that the right will continue to operate at an information disadvantage. After all, it's not like they'll trust the analysis of a non-conservative like me more than the numerous fellow conservatives who constantly tell them things that turn out not to be true.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:36 PM   #181
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Bill Maher is the spokesmen for all that is Democratic. There is no one on the Republican side in media with the marshaling power of Bill Maher.
Mainstream liberalism actually has two pretty reliable programs that air its point of view well: the Daily Show and Rachel Maddow. You can throw Colbert in there as well most days.

I will stand by the claim that Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow accurately represent the face of modern, mainstream liberalism.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:37 PM   #182
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Nope...a realist. FTR, Beck has never stated such. Neither has Rush or Hannity. Im alone in that assessment. I could be wrong. Maybe there will be another. It will most likely between two people that are both left of center. It wont matter.
That's still the same hyperbolic "thousand years of darkness" statement many of them spout and is mentality that made the right fail in this election. Who want's to join the party of "if we lose America will cease to exist as a republic."?

Call me crazy, but I prefer to believe America will endure, right or left. One day it will end, but it's classic egotism and fear of the unknown that makes people predict it happening in their lifetime.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:37 PM   #183
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Hateful and venemous is not the relevant measure. Factual or full of shit is the relevant measure and the right loses by a long ways.
That's true...when one of Obama's close advisors tweets the following I do tend to believe it:

"After we win this election, it's our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we dont forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.

There is going to be hell to pay. Congress wont be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this one is over and we have two judges ready to go."

I DO take that as very factual.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:38 PM   #184
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Are you really old, have terminal illness, or are you just realy ****ing stupid?
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:38 PM   #185
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Nope...a realist. FTR, Beck has never stated such. Neither has Rush or Hannity. Im alone in that assessment. I could be wrong. Maybe there will be another. It will most likely between two people that are both left of center. It wont matter.
If Beck, Hannity and Rush are your point of center then hopefully they will be left of that center. I also hope they will be right of MSNBC and the current shitbag in office~
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Mainstream liberalism actually has two pretty reliable programs that air its point of view well: the Daily Show and Rachel Maddow. You can throw Colbert in there as well most days.

I will stand by the claim that Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow accurately represent the face of modern, mainstream liberalism.
I agree, at least on TV.
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One of my disagreements with the right is the revisionist bullshit they keep trying to shove down our throats. There is a wall of separation that they have tried to dismiss for years. This country WAS NOT founded as a Christian nation. Madison and Jefferson made that VERY clear. The revised the pledge of of allegiance adding "one nation under god" and adding " in god we trust" to our currency. All happened in the 50s oh wait some Glenn Beck troll will point out it appeared on the nickel in the late 30s if I recall right. Whatever these people try to claim this government was not set up secular and they are simply full of shit. You have the right to believe as you wish but those beliefs were never intended to be integrated into our government. For those who follow whatever belief system good for you and I am glad it provides you happiness. I will fight for your right to do so, just don't try to teach that nonsense to our children in school and don't try to claim that it had anything to do with the founding of our country~
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:39 PM   #188
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Wanted to drop in just to see how the celebration was going. I see its going well. I think the OP has some decent points. And while I wasnt sure that Romney was going to win, I was optimistic.

It was pretty apparent that as the swing states were close and others that were 'in play' werent which way this was going.

While I dont feel 'lied' to necessarily, it is a bit disappointing to see that it was close or within 1 or 2 points that it really wasnt. One point I want to make is that Romney got fewer votes than McCain did, and that is surprising.

So, to the quote above...I have decided to disconnect...completely. Im not listening to any of it, left or right. I have pretty much given up. While time may change that, I figure we have a country that wants a larger government in everyone's life. I have to live with that now, and Im willing to accept that.

As long as I dont get persecuted for holding opposing views from the majority of the country, I'll go on living my life and leave the governing to those that think the only solution is higher taxes, printing money and presidential fiat.

I dont honestly think there will be another presidential election in my lifetime. Again, Im willing to accept it.

I'll drop by off and on still, but for all intents and purposes the takers now outnumber the producers in this country. Congrats, you all won! Enjoy!
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We get all these ****ing arguments on both sides about programs that are just entertainment. No different than the bullshit that ESPN puts out about sports. Rush Limbaugh is not a news reporter. Neither is bitch Rachel Maddow. Dennis Miller isn't. Chris Matthews isn't. Its all ****ing entertainment. That is all it is. Real news comes from the AP on all of these stations. Its the commentary and how they spin it on either side. Its the same shit as the sports talk radio hosts. They just talk about news instead of sports.
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That's still the same hyperbolic "thousand years of darkness" statement many of them spout and is mentality that made the right fail in this election. Who want's to join the party of "if we lose America will cease to exist as a republic."?

Call me crazy, but I prefer to believe America will endure, right or left. One day it will end, but it's classic egotism and fear of the unknown that makes people predict it happening in their lifetime.
I dont call you crazy, a courtesy that you seem to have not extended. It may go on for a while, but now that debt has exceeded GDP and QE infinity on the books, the only other option is serious pain. I dont fear the unknown, it's actually quite the opposite. I fear the known...I know that the takers and those that believe in government outnumber those that think the opposite. It's only going one direction now.
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You conservatives need to explain how "the media" is treating these subjects any differently than it was treating the poll numbers, which turned out to be dead-on accurate.
I want this explained to me. I'm quoting it to isolate it.
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We get all these ****ing arguments on both sides about programs that are just entertainment. No different than the bullshit that ESPN puts out about sports. Rush Limbaugh is not a news reporter. Neither is bitch Rachel Maddow. Dennis Miller isn't. Chris Matthews isn't. Its all ****ing entertainment. That is all it is. Real news comes from the AP on all of these stations. Its the commentary and how they spin it on either side. Its the same shit as the sports talk radio hosts. They just talk about news instead of sports.
So what you're saying, is you agree with the OP.
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I dont honestly think there will be another presidential election in my lifetime. Again, Im willing to accept it.

I'll drop by off and on still, but for all intents and purposes the takers now outnumber the producers in this country. Congrats, you all won! Enjoy!
Come in off the ledge, buddy.
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So what you're saying, is you agree with the OP.
No because you wrote a bunch of ****ing bullshit as well.
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No because you wrote a bunch of ****ing bullshit as well.
The point I made, you basically just reiterated.

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