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Old 11-08-2012, 06:55 AM  
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The Conservative Media Is Lying To You

Conor Friedersdorf ****ing nails it. If you bathe in the muck of the vast majority of conservative media -- if you read FoxNews.com more than any other site, if you hail Mark Levin as brilliant, if you live and die by Drudge...

Then you are being lied to.

There are plenty of conservative sources that simply have a conservative view on the world -- the Wall Street Journal, for instance. But that's distinct from the profitable media empire that sells propaganda damn near 24/7.

Example #1, since it comes up so much in this forum: the Drudge Report.

How many times did the Drudge Report link to Nate Silver, who absolutely crushed his election predictions? Zero.
How many times did the Drudge Report link to Dick Morris? A dozen.

And yet you bought it. You might recall sitting there watching the election returns, certain that Romney would win because for months you've been inundated with Republican whores like Morris telling you what you wanted to hear -- "Obama's a paper tiger," "his campaign is getting desperate," "absolutely nobody I know is voting Obama," "I see more Romney yard signs," "look at this outlier poll that favors Romney"...

Then the results come in, largely how the vast majority of polls told us they would.

You were misinformed. Massively. And it's not just limited to election returns. On climate change, tax rates, income inequality, immigration, healthcare, energy, foreign policy (in particular the Middle East), gay rights for the longest time, and of course Obama himself... You are being sold a bullshit platter that leaves you just as misinformed as you were about the prospective election results.

The biggest offender, of course, is Fox News. Not that they're the most egregious violators of conservative propaganda, but they're by far the most pervasive and the most influential.

You trust Fox News because you believe they are simply reporting from a conservative point of view. That's not true. They are actively selling bullshit. This election and Rove's meltdown on the evening of the 6th is proof. This is an organization that is financially and professionally tied to the Republican Party. Fox News' overlords donate heavily to the GOP. Many Republican candidates for the Presidency either end up or originate as Fox News contributors. This is not an independent outlet in any shape or form, it is a direct arm of the Republican Party.

Get out of this bubble. Set Google News as your homepage. And embrace the next four years as an opportunity to find out what you actually believe, rather than simply adopting the narrative of charlatans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...d-file/264855/

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Nate Silver was right. His ideological antagonists were wrong. And that's just the beginning of the right's self-created information disadvantage.
By Conor Friedersdorf
Nov 7 2012, 6:30 AM ET

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely born out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.


Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.

Conservatives should be familiar with its contours. For years, they've been arguing that liberal control of media and academia confers one advantage: Folks on the right can't help but be familiar with the thinking of liberals, whereas leftists can operate entirely within a liberal cocoon. This analysis was offered to explain why liberal ideas were growing weaker and would be defeated.

Today?

It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thinking; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.

But guess what?

You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven't tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they've done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.

Why do you keep putting up with it?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.

Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a "Grand Jihad" against America. Seriously?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who'd lose worse than George McGovern.

How many months were wasted on them?

How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don't Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn't grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man's record nor repudiate it. The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.

In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood's convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama's America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense -- not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there's no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane bullshit. In fact, it's often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption.

On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.

It ought to be an eye-opening moment.

But I expect that it'll be quickly forgotten, that none of the conservatives who touted a polling conspiracy will be discredited, and that the right will continue to operate at an information disadvantage. After all, it's not like they'll trust the analysis of a non-conservative like me more than the numerous fellow conservatives who constantly tell them things that turn out not to be true.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:47 PM   #286
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Really? Time Warner, News Corp, and Viacom.
Nah, those three companies together don't own 1500 newspapers. Viacom and TW don't own any newspapers, and News Corp has maybe 50.

As for magazines, they probably own a total of 200 at most among the three.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:48 PM   #287
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Polls are entirely dependent on voter turnout models, that's why there's variability. Even many liberal pundits doubted that the youth & blacks would turn out as much as they did.
In 2016 are you going to listen to Fox or Nate Silver?
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:55 PM   #288
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Really? Time Warner, News Corp, and Viacom.
Those 3 DO NOT own:
1500 Newspapers, 1100 Magazines, 9000 Radio Stations, 1500 TV stations, 2400 Publishers

Not close. You're not even counting Disney or Comcast/NBC.

Clear Channel is the largest radio owner, and that is probably less than 1000 stations.
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:16 AM   #289
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I'm going to eat shit on all of my posts from last night. Digging in some this morning, there are TONS of links with that statement made but none of it being anything I would deem credible. Even Big Boi retweeted that shit, so the comment definitely made the waves online.
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:35 AM   #290
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So Gallup is now part of the "Conservative Media" by predicting a 1-point Romney win?
Obviously Gallup is a pollster, not a media outlet.

When Gallup's numbers are promoted and touted by the conservative media only when they show favorable results for Romney, while either ignored or downplayed when they show favorable results for Obama, you've got yourself a propaganda machine.
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I doubt that. I certainly don't see any reason to believe it based on the article you posted.
Out of morbid curiousity, exactly what would you need to see to be convinced of it.
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How did this past election demonstrate that? Generally speaking, there were two competing analytical viewpoints on the election and one of them turned out to be wrong. Based on even the small amount of time I spent watching, Fox News presented both viewpoints.
There were not two competing viewpoints.

There was the general consensus of pollsters, and a handful of outliers promoted by conservative outlets.
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Polls are entirely dependent on voter turnout models, that's why there's variability. Even many liberal pundits doubted that the youth & blacks would turn out as much as they did.
I would agree that even the general consensus of polls underestimated the extent of Obama's victory.
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:50 AM   #294
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Those 3 DO NOT own:
1500 Newspapers, 1100 Magazines, 9000 Radio Stations, 1500 TV stations, 2400 Publishers

Not close. You're not even counting Disney or Comcast/NBC.

Clear Channel is the largest radio owner, and that is probably less than 1000 stations.
print media is virtually dead.

95% of Americans get their political news from TV
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Why does "alternative" media always have to be so...at best--incorrect? At worst--completely fabricated conspiracy nonsense?
What makes news "correct" to you?

To Cosmo....if it's MSNBC or CNN....it's wrong information and it simply doesn't matter.
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Obviously Gallup is a pollster, not a media outlet.

When Gallup's numbers are promoted and touted by the conservative media only when they show favorable results for Romney, while either ignored or downplayed when they show favorable results for Obama, you've got yourself a propaganda machine.
That may be true, but that doesn't happen on Fox News.
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Out of morbid curiousity, exactly what would you need to see to be convinced of it.
I guess you could show some poll results indicating that a large number of people (relative to total viewership) who considered Fox News a credible news outlet in 2012 now see it as non-credible.
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There were not two competing viewpoints.

There was the general consensus of pollsters, and a handful of outliers promoted by conservative outlets.
This simply isn't true. As you noted earlier in the thread, Gallup is a pollster. Gallup isn't just any pollster, it's one of the bigs. It might be the biggest name in polling. Rasmussen is a highly respected polling entity as well (despite what the liberal media bubble tells you). Neither of those firms were a part of this imaginary consensus that you think existed. You can't simply dismiss them as outliers.
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That may be true, but that doesn't happen on Fox News.
It doesn't? What do you know about it?
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I guess you could show some poll results indicating that a large number of people (relative to total viewership) who considered Fox News a credible news outlet in 2012 now see it as non-credible.
What do you think explains the recent drop in viewership?
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