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Old 11-08-2012, 04:30 PM  
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Romney wasn't lying

...he apparently really did have one speech. He was so incredibly confident that he was going to win, that not just losing, but losing decisively "shellshocked" him.

You'd hope that regardless of what the right-wing voters tell themselves or ignore, that a national campaign would know the facts. It probably would not have made a difference, but by not knowing they were behind, they wasted time trying to expand the map in un-winnable states to create a more decisive victory and a mandate, thinking they were solid in the states they needed for 270.

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Old 11-08-2012, 04:33 PM   #2
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I thought his remarks were very well done in any event.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:34 PM   #3
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Other bits of overconfident hilarity:

The campaign spent $25K on an 8-minute fireworks show to celebrate victory. The fireworks obviously were unloaded from the barge and sent back.

They also had a president-elect transition site up and running Tuesday night long enough for people to get screenshots before it was taken down after the concession.



Romney's slogan would have been: "smaller, simpler, smarter"
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:35 PM   #4
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I thought his remarks were very well done in any event.
Absolutely. Said it that night. Total class act.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:35 PM   #5
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I read an article today that quoted a Romney staffer that said their internal polls 2 days before the election showed then winning Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:39 PM   #6
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Unbelievable how naiive and incompetant their whole approach to polling, demographics, and analysis were. The deintellectualization of the Republican party continues.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:40 PM   #7
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2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.
I've been saying this for weeks. I am also a former republican who now self-identifies as independent when I'm polled.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:43 PM   #8
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Unbelievable how naiive and incompetant their whole approach to polling, demographics, and analysis were. The deintellectualism of the Republican party continues.
On that there can be no disagreement.

The DNC absolutely murdered the RNC and the respective candidates campaigns weren't any closer.

The way the Democrats ran their operations in this cycle reminds me of when Catherine Hanaway came into power in Missouri. She whipped the Republican machine into shape and set a cycle in motion that obliterated the Democrats after they'd held the majority in Missouri for decades.

I was always amazed by how well organized the Republican Caucus was in Missouri and really the D's did the same thing on a national level this time around.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:45 PM   #9
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I've been saying this for weeks. I am also a former republican who now self-identifies as independent when I'm polled.
I told them I was a Republican leaning Independent, although registered for one reason—closed primary. Then I got dozens of calls with Mitt's voice chiding me for not sending in my absentee ballot yet. I was called every other minute it was so relenting. I threatened to vote for Obama if they didn't stop it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:46 PM   #10
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On that there can be no disagreement.

The DNC absolutely murdered the RNC and the respective candidates campaigns weren't any closer.

The way the Democrats ran their operations in this cycle reminds me of when Catherine Hanaway came into power in Missouri. She whipped the Republican machine into shape and set a cycle in motion that obliterated the Democrats after they'd held the majority in Missouri for decades.

I was always amazed by how well organized the Republican Caucus was in Missouri and really the D's did the same thing on a national level this time around.
It used to be that the Rs had the better campaigns.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:48 PM   #11
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Unbelievable how naiive and incompetant their whole approach to polling, demographics, and analysis were. The deintellectualization of the Republican party continues.
I'm admittedly not much of an expert on this type of polling, but I find the fact that they just randomly assumed that the turnout would be the same as 2004 to be very strange. I don't know how you make that assumption without any good reason to do so.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:48 PM   #12
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I read an article today that quoted a Romney staffer that said their internal polls 2 days before the election showed then winning Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Colorado.
I think it's possible there were a lot of undecideds or people changing their minds back and forth. I was going to vote for Gary Johnson. Then I went Mitt. Then back to Johnson ( usually after seeing Donger's threads or posts on Iran) then decided just a few days before to go with Mitt. Only because I felt Obama should be fired like any other worker not getting results and taking too many vacations. In some polls I was called on the phone about I said I was undecided. I'm sure they thought that meant between Obama and Mitt. It was only between Johnson and Mitt though.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #13
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On that there can be no disagreement.

The DNC absolutely murdered the RNC and the respective candidates campaigns weren't any closer.

The way the Democrats ran their operations in this cycle reminds me of when Catherine Hanaway came into power in Missouri. She whipped the Republican machine into shape and set a cycle in motion that obliterated the Democrats after they'd held the majority in Missouri for decades.

I was always amazed by how well organized the Republican Caucus was in Missouri and really the D's did the same thing on a national level this time around.
The problem is and continues to be that pieces of shit like Rick Santorum need to ride off into the sunset. I'm sorry, but he lost the election for Romney more than anybody. Romney was forced into a lot of unpopular social positions during the primaries, and in my opinion, I don't think he was enthusiastic about any of them.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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The problem is and continues to be that pieces of shit like Rick Santorum need to ride off into the sunset. I'm sorry, but he lost the election for Romney more than anybody. Romney was forced into a lot of unpopular social positions during the primaries, and in my opinion, I don't think he was enthusiastic about any of them.
Well, you can blame Romney for compromising his integrity by pandering. It's not just Santorum's fault.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:53 PM   #15
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The problem is and continues to be that pieces of shit like Rick Santorum need to ride off into the sunset. I'm sorry, but he lost the election for Romney more than anybody. Romney was forced into a lot of unpopular social positions during the primaries, and in my opinion, I don't think he was enthusiastic about any of them.
Yeah, he certianly wouldn't want to be caught being sincere.
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