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Old 11-08-2012, 04:30 PM  
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Romney wasn't lying

...he apparently really did have one speech. He was so incredibly confident that he was going to win, that not just losing, but losing decisively "shellshocked" him.

You'd hope that regardless of what the right-wing voters tell themselves or ignore, that a national campaign would know the facts. It probably would not have made a difference, but by not knowing they were behind, they wasted time trying to expand the map in un-winnable states to create a more decisive victory and a mandate, thinking they were solid in the states they needed for 270.

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Old 11-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #31
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random millennial trivia: they love wine. Go figure.

Beer obviously will always be king among alcohol, but the millennials have been fueling a strong wine comeback, drinking wine far more often than Gen X did when they were their age or even now. Wineries now openly cater to them, host wedding receptions, etc.
I fall in the millennial category and yep we do love wine.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #32
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The problem is and continues to be that pieces of shit like Rick Santorum need to ride off into the sunset. I'm sorry, but he lost the election for Romney more than anybody. Romney was forced into a lot of unpopular social positions during the primaries, and in my opinion, I don't think he was enthusiastic about any of them.
He wasn't forced to go down any path. He could have stood his ground and showed what he was made up, instead he pandered and it bit him in his ass in the general election.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:35 PM   #33
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I think you are right about the sincerity, but I think the insincere act was actually before the first election, saying he opposed gay marriage in the first place. I don't think he ever did oppose it.
That's entirely possible. The thing is, it shouldn't matter what any president personally thinks of it. It's a 1) a social issue which is 2) a state issue.
People just don't understand federalism.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:42 PM   #34
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:20 PM   #35
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I think this is dead on, this younger generation is going to be a lot more engaged politically. I also think the GOP will never win this group until it drops its anti-gay positions/rhetoric.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:34 PM   #36
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I think this is dead on, this younger generation is going to be a lot more engaged politically. I also think the GOP will never win this group until it drops its anti-gay positions/rhetoric.
Also abortion. The younger generation see it as a done deal. They have not known a world without legal abortions. They don't get it why we should dictate to others.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:35 PM   #37
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I thought his remarks were very well done in any event.
Agreed.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:56 PM   #38
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He wasn't forced to go down any path. He could have stood his ground and showed what he was made up, instead he pandered and it bit him in his ass in the general election.
Without pandering, he isn't in the general election. The only way a moderate can get onto a real ticket is by pandering. And me being a moderate, that ****ing sucks and it makes the whole democratic process completely stupid.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:05 PM   #39
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No one marched Santorum out except Santorum who had enough votes to remain in for the time he did.
The fact that Santorum was coming in 2nd place and winning states in the primaries highlights everything that's wrong with Republicans.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:09 PM   #40
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Other bits of overconfident hilarity:

The campaign spent $25K on an 8-minute fireworks show to celebrate victory. The fireworks obviously were unloaded from the barge and sent back.
Looks like we dodged a bullet as far as fiscal responsibility.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:12 PM   #41
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:22 PM   #42
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Without pandering, he isn't in the general election. The only way a moderate can get onto a real ticket is by pandering. And me being a moderate, that ****ing sucks and it makes the whole democratic process completely stupid.
Well, its what makes our process stupid. There's no law requiring two major parties and especially, the current primary system for choosing the candidates.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:27 PM   #43
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Well, its what makes our process stupid. There's no law requiring two major parties and especially, the current primary system for choosing the candidates.
It is naive to believe that there is any systematic way for any third party to actually compete in an election. It might as well be law.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:35 PM   #44
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The fact that Santorum was coming in 2nd place and winning states in the primaries highlights everything that's wrong with Republicans.
In your opinion. If anything, it shows the need for federalism and de-centralized govt even more, since one central govt can't decide everything for everyone. Makes a presidential elections less important too.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:40 PM   #45
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In your opinion. If anything, it shows the need for federalism and de-centralized govt even more, since one central govt can't decide everything for everyone. Makes a presidential elections less important too.
It shows that the Republican nomination is still heavily influenced by the religious right. They aren't going to win primary elections but they will influence the outcome. And frankly, as the Republican party gets more progressive, I could see the problem getting worse because there seem to be fiscal conservatives who don't identify with either established party.
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