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Old 11-10-2012, 04:15 PM  
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The SEC... REALLY?

This conference is head and shoulders above all others?
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:10 PM   #196
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What is the second best conference?
Probably a toss up between the Pac12 and the Big12. I graduated from Notre Dame so all this conference talk is confusing to me.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:40 PM   #197
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I've already covered the consistent over ranking of SEC teams.

If they played Alabama or Georgia's schedule they would play less ranked teams then they play now. And why would they have to be undefeated? That would make them clearly better than any other team in the SEC, since there aren't any undefeated teams in the SEC.

Tell me how highly ranked you think Notre Dame, Oregon, or K-State would be if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record?
To the current #5 team at their house? Not much.

UGA, should they win out will have 2 wins against top 5 teams, both on neutral sites. Bama will have 2 as well, one on the road and one neutral.

Any of those top 3 teams have even one win against anyone in the top 5?
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:42 PM   #198
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I've already covered the consistent over ranking of SEC teams.

If they played Alabama or Georgia's schedule they would play less ranked teams then they play now. And why would they have to be undefeated? That would make them clearly better than any other team in the SEC, since there aren't any undefeated teams in the SEC.

Tell me how highly ranked you think Notre Dame, Oregon, or K-State would be if they had a 28 point loss to South Carolina on their record?
If there's one team that is consistently over-rated, it's Notre Dame. They have the bowl record to prove it.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:48 PM   #199
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Probably a toss up between the Pac12 and the Big 12.


SEC
#4, #5, #7, #8, 9, #12


Big 12
#2, #13, #18, #24


PAC 12
#1, #14, #15, #21


The sixth best team in the SEC is better than the second best team in either of those conferences.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:09 PM   #200
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SEC
#4, #5, #7, #8, 9, #12


Big 12
#2, #13, #18, #24


PAC 12
#1, #14, #15, #21


The sixth best team in the SEC is better than the second best team in either of those conferences.
Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:36 PM   #201
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I think SEC is the best, probably followed by the PAC. Big 12 is next, then someone south of butthole is the ACC and the Big East. After that you have your midmajors, and then the I-AA conferences, followed by the Big 10.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:41 PM   #202
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Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.
Well, yeah. That's how it works. One team does not a conference make...unless its Texas.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:59 PM   #203
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Then, by extension of that logic, the best team in the Big 12 and the Pac 12 is better than any team in the SEC.
What is the logic of h2h for SEC teams against others in regular season and bowls..

I mean great, another conference can claim bcs championship away from the SEC finally, maybe by not even playing them if it comes Oregon and KSU.. But to say they are not the best conference hands down is retarded..
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:02 PM   #204
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The SEC teams are always overrated, and Notre Dame isn't. That's why Notre Dame does so well in bowl games and SEC teams get exposed.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:16 PM   #205
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The SEC teams are always overrated, and Notre Dame isn't. That's why Notre Dame does so well in bowl games and SEC teams get exposed.
I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.

Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past. My arguments have been about this season.
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What is the logic of h2h for SEC teams against others in regular season and bowls..

I mean great, another conference can claim bcs championship away from the SEC finally, maybe by not even playing them if it comes Oregon and KSU.. But to say they are not the best conference hands down is retarded..
I've not argued that any conference is better than another. To me, it is an irrelevant discussion when the object is to determine the best team.

Some, however, use the "SEC is the best conference" discussion as the basis for making a case that teams within that conference are playing superior schedules than teams outside. I don't happen to agree.
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I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.

Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past. My arguments have been about this season.
I don't think this is the SEC's strongest year... but it's like everyone's ignoring the fact that other conferences are down too.

If you look at the Big 12, the 3rd best team lost to the 2nd best team by a zillion points. They were absolutely slaughtered and dominated in all aspects of the game. Wasn't even close. They were lucky to beat Kansas, who is horrible. The 4th best team played one tough out of conference game and got slaughtered by a team who has a losing record in the Pac 12. Then you go down the the line and teams like West Virginia, Tech and Baylor are not that good, and downright horrible defensively.

I just have a hard time believing Georgia, South Carolina, LSU, Florida aren't better than all those teams. And to be honest, I'm not sure Mississippi State and Vandy wouldn't give Texas a game. When you are as terrible at defense as these teams usually you end up with close games.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:27 PM   #208
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I haven't been making any argument about Notre Dame and their ranking. I haven't attempted to defend their past gifts from the BCS. They have been a subpar program since Holtz left, save for a couple of seasons.
You've argued that Notre Dame wouldn't be ranked as high as Alabama if they had a loss and had played Bama's schedule. History tells us that Notre Dame gets ranked above what they deserve and SEC teams, if anything, are ranked below what they deserve.

If a team is ranked correctly, they should have bowl records around .500. The SEC consistently outperforms in the postseason.

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Anyone who can't honestly say that they believe the SEC is down this season from previous years is either not watching the games or they are flat out lying. I don't care about the past.
You couldn't prove my point more if you tried. The SEC is head and shoulders above other conferences because THIS is what a "down year in the SEC" looks like (MSPaint FTW):

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This conference is head and shoulders above all others?
Yes, and you are an idiot for even asking. 3-4 SEC teams could easily beat Kansas St., Oregon, or Notre Dame imo.
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This is where it gets interesting.

Say ONE of either K-State, Oregon, or ND drops a game. Alabama would move up to #3 and Georgia would be #4. Then if #3 Alabama beats #4 Georgia in the SECCG, would it be enough for them to jump to the #2 spot?

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