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Old 11-15-2012, 08:14 AM  
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A week later Romney is still a douchebag

My guess Mittens he won because he didn't insult half the country and didn't come across as a prick to normal middle class people.

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Mitt Romney told donors Wednesday he blamed last week’s loss to President Barack Obama in part to “gifts” the Obama administration gave to key voter blocs, including African Americans, Hispanics and young women, according to media reports.

“The president’s campaign focused on giving targeted groups a big gift — so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars,” Romney said on a conference call with donors, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

The “gifts,” according to Romney, included forgiving college loan interest, free contraceptive coverage and the part of Obamacare that allows people 26 and younger to be covered under their parents’ health care plans.

“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity. I mean, this is huge,” Romney said, the New York Times reported.

“Likewise with Hispanic voters, free healthcare was a big plus,” Romney added. “But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.”




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Old 11-16-2012, 02:50 PM   #166
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Why only up to 1 million?

What government subsidies do you think you should give up, btw?
We need to raise revenue. If you have a million $ house. You don't need to have the taxpayers help you buy your own home.

I don't know of any government subsidy that I've ever received besides the mortgage deduction for homes and the one time cash for clunkers deal. Paid for my own education. Never got a home mortgage or loan backed by the government.

I'd be willing to pay whatever we have to pay on the open market if they government stops corporate welfare for corn, big oil, grain and all the other welfare we cant afford to pay anymore.

Maybe I receive some kind of government help but don't realize it, feel free to enlighten me.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:06 PM   #167
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We need to raise revenue. If you have a million $ house. You don't need to have the taxpayers help you buy your own home.

I don't know of any government subsidy that I've ever received besides the mortgage deduction for homes and the one time cash for clunkers deal. Paid for my own education. Never got a home mortgage or loan backed by the government.

I'd be willing to pay whatever we have to pay on the open market if they government stops corporate welfare for corn, big oil, grain and all the other welfare we cant afford to pay anymore.

Maybe I receive some kind of government help but don't realize it, feel free to enlighten me.
That seems arbitrary.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:19 PM   #168
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That seems arbitrary.
of course it is. Anytime you set a line, it's arbitrary. I'm sure we could study the issue and say if we do X value of a house we will get X in additional revenue. See where the most bang for the buck is kind of thing.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:22 PM   #169
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I don't know of any government subsidy that I've ever received besides the mortgage deduction for homes ...
That's not a subsidy. When you're allowed to keep more of your own money it's not a subsidy. People who usually say that are communists because no one really owns anything.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:44 PM   #170
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of course it is. Anytime you set a line, it's arbitrary. I'm sure we could study the issue and say if we do X value of a house we will get X in additional revenue. See where the most bang for the buck is kind of thing.
Sounds crappy for the people that worked hard to build a nice house.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:57 PM   #171
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Mittens has now lost his biggest supporter Jennifer Rubin. I would like to hear the grotesque names\things he called Latinos. Hopefully someone taped it

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Frankly there have been whispers at the Republican National Committee and elsewhere that Romney has used even more grotesque language, suggesting that the loss is due to Hispanic voters who have become enamored with Obamacare.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:01 PM   #172
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Mittens has now lost his biggest supporter Jennifer Rubin. I would like to hear the grotesque names\things he called Latinos. Hopefully someone taped it
I love rumors and whispers.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:15 PM   #173
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I love rumors and whispers.
I normally would agree but she is\was Romney's biggest media fan outside of Fox News
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #174
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We need to raise revenue. If you have a million $ house. You don't need to have the taxpayers help you buy your own home.
We need revenue so why not remove or reduce the subsidy for homes under $1 million too?

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I don't know of any government subsidy that I've ever received besides the mortgage deduction for homes and the one time cash for clunkers deal. Paid for my own education. Never got a home mortgage or loan backed by the government.

I'd be willing to pay whatever we have to pay on the open market if they government stops corporate welfare for corn, big oil, grain and all the other welfare we cant afford to pay anymore.

Maybe I receive some kind of government help but don't realize it, feel free to enlighten me.
The mortgage deduction is a big one. Have you ever taken a deduction for charitable contributions? When you worked in the private sector, if you ever had health insurance through your employer (or your spouse's employer), it was subsidized. If you've ever had kids and claimed them as dependents, that would be another one. Almost all of us benefit in one way or another from either a government spending program or a targeted tax break. I'm just tired of people agreeing that we should cut spending or raise taxes, but only on the other guy. I'm sure that wasn't your intent.
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:55 PM   #175
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That's not a subsidy. When you're allowed to keep more of your own money it's not a subsidy. People who usually say that are communists because no one really owns anything.
Wrong. When you jack up the rate on everyone so you can give a tax break for some favored activity, it's no different than taxing everyone and then writing a check to people who participate in that favored activity.
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Sounds crappy for the people that worked hard to build a nice house.
well they will have a million $ house to comfort them while they feel crappy.

Where would you like to find revenue? It's impossible to cut 6 trillion out of the budget. So lets hear your ideas to generate revenue?
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The mortgage deduction is a big one. Have you ever taken a deduction for charitable contributions? When you worked in the private sector, if you ever had health insurance through your employer (or your spouse's employer), it was subsidized.
How is private health care through an employer subsidized?
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:13 PM   #178
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well they will have a million $ house to comfort them while they feel crappy.

Where would you like to find revenue? It's impossible to cut 6 trillion out of the budget. So lets hear your ideas to generate revenue?
Why does the dollar amount matter then? Someone in a $250,000 home has that to comfort them, too. I'm sure many people who live in squalor think that someone in a 4 BR 2,200 square foot home are living well. Why not include them?
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Why does the dollar amount matter then? Someone in a $250,000 home has that to comfort them, too. I'm sure many people who live in squalor think that someone in a 4 BR 2,200 square foot home are living well. Why not include them?
you answer my question first.
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How is private health care through an employer subsidized?
The employer portion is tax deductible to the employer (like wages) but not taxable to the employee (unlike wages). The employee contribution comes from pretax dollars (so you don't pay income taxes on it).
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