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Old 11-15-2012, 07:14 AM  
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A week later Romney is still a douchebag

My guess Mittens he won because he didn't insult half the country and didn't come across as a prick to normal middle class people.

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Mitt Romney told donors Wednesday he blamed last week’s loss to President Barack Obama in part to “gifts” the Obama administration gave to key voter blocs, including African Americans, Hispanics and young women, according to media reports.

“The president’s campaign focused on giving targeted groups a big gift — so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars,” Romney said on a conference call with donors, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

The “gifts,” according to Romney, included forgiving college loan interest, free contraceptive coverage and the part of Obamacare that allows people 26 and younger to be covered under their parents’ health care plans.

“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity. I mean, this is huge,” Romney said, the New York Times reported.

“Likewise with Hispanic voters, free healthcare was a big plus,” Romney added. “But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.”




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Old 11-15-2012, 10:03 AM   #61
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So did the right after 9/11 by saying anyone who disagreed with them were traitors and supported the terrorists. To me that is alot worse than saying rich people should pay 4% more in taxes.
Why even bother to post if you choose not to address the facts?
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:05 AM   #62
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I am hopeful that it will get some what better. There is a lot of big things we can get fixed if the extremists on both sides are shut out.
Obama, pelosi, Reed would be great place to start
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:09 AM   #63
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Why even bother to post if you choose not to address the facts?
You didn't offer any facts
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:27 AM   #64
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I pointed out that obama and his handlers incite class and race warfare.

You ignore that and try to sweep it under the carpet with "raise taxes on the rich by 4%".
I don't blame you, I'd ignore that aspect of obama as well. That facet of his tenure, like so many others, is disgraceful.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:31 AM   #65
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I pointed out that obama and his handlers incite class and race warfare.

You ignore that and try to sweep it under the carpet with "raise taxes on the rich by 4%".
I don't blame you, I'd ignore that aspect of obama as well. That facet of his tenure, like so many others, is disgraceful.
Comparing asking the rich to pay a little more with class welfare is akin to calling black panthers opening doors for white ladies voter intimidation.

It's a bogus argument rejected by the majority of the electorate. But hey, keep banging that drum if it helps you sleep at night.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:34 AM   #66
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Comparing asking the rich to pay a little more with class welfare is akin to calling black panthers opening doors for white ladies voter intimidation.

It's a bogus argument rejected by the majority of the electorate. But hey, keep banging that drum if it helps you sleep at night.
Correction of the voters that voted. You forgot the 40% of registered voters that didn't vote, which is a no vote for either candidate.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:39 AM   #67
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Correction of the voters that voted. You forgot the 40% of registered voters that didn't vote, which is a no vote for either candidate.
If they felt strongly on the issue, I'm sure they would have stepped up and pulled Romney's lever.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:40 AM   #68
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If they felt strongly on the issue, I'm sure they would have stepped up and pulled Romney's lever.
No, that's not my point. My point was you don't know where most of the electorate really feel. Polls consistently showed unhappiness with the candidate choices. Many felt that Mitt was a liberal posing as a conservative.

Oh and the rich pay a little bit more is still just a drop in the bucket and doesn't pay for current levels of govt.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:46 AM   #69
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Comparing asking the rich to pay a little more with class welfare is akin to calling black panthers opening doors for white ladies voter intimidation.

It's a bogus argument rejected by the majority of the electorate. But hey, keep banging that drum if it helps you sleep at night.
obama wanting to raise taxes is not at all what I am talking about. That was Dirk's diversion.

Do you deny that obama fosters divisions based on class and race?
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No, that's not my point. My point was you don't know where most of the electorate really feel. Polls consistently showed unhappiness with the candidate choices. Many felt that Mitt was a liberal posing as a conservative.

Oh and the rich pay a little bit more is still just a drop in the bucket and doesn't pay for current levels of govt.
Electorate can mean eligible voters OR actual voters. The actual voters didn't buy the R's class warfare argument.

I don't disagree with the latter. However, given that spending cuts will fall disproportionately on the poor, the majority of the country and I are cool with it.
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Electorate can mean eligible voters OR actual voters. The actual voters didn't buy the R's class warfare argument.
Exit polls showed more of them, by at least 50% voted for the Democrats class warfare arguments. The Republicans didn't make class warfare arguments.
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I pointed out that obama and his handlers incite class and race warfare.

You ignore that and try to sweep it under the carpet with "raise taxes on the rich by 4%".
I don't blame you, I'd ignore that aspect of obama as well. That facet of his tenure, like so many others, is disgraceful.
You said it was a fact, it is not that is your opinion which you are entitled to but last Tuesday people rejected your opinion.

The reason why I brought up raising rich people's taxes by 4% is because that is what Obama ran on. You probably think that is class warfare I don't. But that is my opinion
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:48 AM   #74
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You said it was a fact, it is not that is your opinion which you are entitled to but last Tuesday people rejected your opinion.

The reason why I brought up raising rich people's taxes by 4% is because that is what Obama ran on. You probably think that is class warfare I don't. But that is my opinion
Do you realize class warfare has been the modus operandi for the Democrat Party for decades? It's not opinion, it's fact. It just shows how blind how some of you have become to reality. Are you that blind? Don't answer that, as a minority, former Dem/lib, I already know the answer. It just goes to show how much our culture has bought in to statism. Class warfare and political correctness are tools to help bring statism about. It's no different from other statisms of the past, Marxism, communism, fascism. Americans have brought about their own brand of statism, perhaps much of it through deception but it has happened. Our government education has failed so many on freedom.

There really is no answer for statism once it grabs a hold of a country other than pointing out the misery and sadness it brings. It is coming, I have no doubt it's coming. Hopefully you dems/libs wake up one day with an “oh shit” moment and understand the damage you helped to do on this country. There will be no one to blame but you dems/libs for helping to bring it about.

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I believe the same. To act like it's the Republicans alone causing division is dumb. Democrats do the same type of thing by painting Republicans as racists or haters of women.
...if it wins elections...
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