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Old 11-20-2012, 10:53 AM  
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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:38 AM   #166
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The quotes are almost identical. How funny that people are flailing around as if they're different.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:43 AM   #167
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Yet, you prefer the former world of Marxist countries despite their obvious failings. I'll take the 18th Century Enlightenment over your materialism and slavery. Afterall, that's what was supposed to be the freest nation in the world, but is no longer, was founded on.
I always think it's ironic how in only one of the eras (and not the one you endorse as being the 'freest') would you be able to vote for your own government.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:47 AM   #168
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Voting doesn't necessarily equal freedom.That's the democracy of two wolves and a lamb at a dinner. What brings freedom is restraining that same govt, which is what our Constitution was designed to do.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:47 AM   #169
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The quotes are almost identical. How funny that people are flailing around as if they're different.
They're not almost identical, but they both give a lot of respectful deference to creationism (for reasons almost certainly having to do with politics, and not truth). Obama at least tells us what he believes.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:48 AM   #170
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:49 AM   #171
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Like what?
The onus is not on him, it's on YOU.

Can you prove fairies aren't real? They're totally invisible so you can't see them. People believe in them.

When you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to prove it... the onus is not on others to disprove any claim made. That's ridiculous.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:50 AM   #172
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Voting doesn't necessarily equal freedom.That's the democracy of two wolves and a lamb at a dinner. What brings freedom is restraining that same govt, which is what our Constitution was designed to do.
Voting is necessary for political freedom. And just as you correctly say that voting doesn't necessarily equal freedom, neither does an originalist construction of the Constitution.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:50 AM   #173
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:52 AM   #174
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The onus is not on him, it's on YOU.

Can you prove fairies aren't real? They're totally invisible so you can't see them. People believe in them.

When you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to prove it... the onus is not on others to disprove any claim made. That's ridiculous.
Huh? Certain people on this thread claimed that there is tons of evidence that the Earth wasn't created in seven days. Call me crazy, but the one making the claim should be able to provide some evidence of their claim.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:54 AM   #175
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The onus is not on him, it's on YOU.

Can you prove fairies aren't real? They're totally invisible so you can't see them. People believe in them.

When you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to prove it... the onus is not on others to disprove any claim made. That's ridiculous.
Whatever happened to the idea of freedom of religion? I don't see that anyone needs to prove anything on this.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:56 AM   #176
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I always think it's ironic how in only one of the eras (and not the one you endorse as being the 'freest') would you be able to vote for your own government.
Our govt was voted on when the Constitution was ratified. After that we vote for officials and reps who will uphold that document which protects liberty. The even have to take an oath of office. They can't just do whatever a majority on want in every area.

Democracy does not equal freedom. Marx said "Democracy was the road to socialism.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #177
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Differences between Obama's and Rubio's statements on earth
origins and science in general:

1. Obama clearly draws lines around where this debate occurs,"within the Christian community". Rubio makes no such distinction.

2. Obama indicates that in his own personal view, he modifies his religous beliefs to conform to science. Rubio leaves it as unknowable, that theology and science are equally valid ways of approaching the question.

3. Rubio goes out of his way to distance questions of science from public policy. That's fine for BEP's 18th century fantasy America, but here in the real world, science is at the heart of our future as a world leader.

4. Rubio belongs to a party married to the denial of inconvenient science. He denies anthropogenic climate change. Obama's public positions are consistently well informed by consensus main stream science. So the context of the two statements is completely different.
1. Rubio does the same thing... "I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians"

2. Obama says he doesn't know either

3. Don't have enough information to say either way

4. Agree except for the last sentence
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #178
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Our govt was voted on when the Constitution was ratified. After that we vote for officials and reps who will uphold that document which protects liberty. The even have to take an oath of office. They can't just do whatever a majority on want in every area.

Democracy does not equal freedom. Marx said "Democracy was the road to socialism.
Okay, but none of this changes the fact that voting is an essential political freedom. Women were denied that essential political freedom in the era that you hold up as being the epitome of political freedom. This situation (your championing of that era and condoning this era) is situational irony because you are saying "That era (when I would have been denied an essential political freedom) is more free than this era (when I can exercise an essential political freedom)."

Are there any freedoms you can't exercise now than you could have then?
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:16 PM   #179
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Voting doesn't necessarily equal freedom.That's the democracy of two wolves and a lamb at a dinner. What brings freedom is restraining that same govt, which is what our Constitution was designed to do.
But the ability to vote for who is in that government doesn't matter. Amazing.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:20 PM   #180
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Whatever happened to the idea of freedom of religion? I don't see that anyone needs to prove anything on this.
You don't need to prove anything in order to stay out of jail. But lack of proof doesn't shield you from being called a nut. Really, for someone who talks about it constantly, your understanding of how the Constition works is pretty weak.
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