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Old 11-20-2012, 10:53 AM  
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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

I知 not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that痴 a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I知 not a scientist. I don稚 think I知 qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I知 not sure we値l ever be able to answer that. It痴 one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:28 PM   #256
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I admit I have heard a lot about Rubio but don't know much beyond the basics. I like Chris Christie a lot.
I do too. I have to agree that his straight talk could make him a liability. How will that translate into diplomacy? I don't care about that, but plenty of voters will.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:28 PM   #257
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No, it's not. nothing to explain ...possible ....hypotheses. it's also a cop out.....that's an answer born from dishonesty or laziness.

whoa... major irony.


and you only adressed giraffe... a giraffe couldn't even drink water without the current system and design already in place...there is no evidence to support anything to the contrary.

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Old 11-22-2012, 12:30 PM   #258
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Carbon dating and fossils. Erosion. Glaciers. Life as we know it. Next question.
I think you need to keep reading. I was referring to the actual creation of the big ball of rock we call Earth, not flora and fauna. So far, no one has presented anything that proves that Earth was in fact created over millions of years (or conversely, wasn't created in seven/one day(s)).

I fully and completely agree that there is plenty of evidence that Earth is much older than 6,000 years old.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:31 PM   #259
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Who's to say the perfect mind of God did not create the elements necessary to prove those scientific methods?

Beginning and End, First and Last, all-knowing etc.
Who's to say we don't go to other dimensions when we dream. What's your point?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #260
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He is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is someone who inherits their citizenship from their parents. Neither of his parents were citizens, so he could not inherit something from them that they did not have. However, he is a naturalized citizen because he was born on American soil.


No, he isn't a naturalized US citizen. He was born on US soil. That makes him a natural-born US citizen, even if his parents weren't or aren't.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #261
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Who's to say the perfect mind of God did not create the elements necessary to prove those scientific methods?

Beginning and End, First and Last, all-knowing etc.
the sun is shrinking.... by their logic, millions of years ago, it would've been too hot to sustain life on Earth..200 million years ago, it would've been touching the Earth...

know why they think God is a fairy tale?...because ultimately, that's all they can offer up...Huxley, Wallace and other proponents of Evolution were more motivated by the denail of the supernatural power of God, rather than fact.

the eye cannot and never will be explained by evolution.

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Old 11-22-2012, 12:38 PM   #262
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Who's to say the perfect mind of God did not create the elements necessary to prove those scientific methods?

Beginning and End, First and Last, all-knowing etc.
bah! what would U know about that?

do you really believe that god created pioli?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:49 PM   #263
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I think you need to keep reading. I was referring to the actual creation of the big ball of rock we call Earth, not flora and fauna. So far, no one has presented anything that proves that Earth was in fact created over millions of years (or conversely, wasn't created in seven/one day(s)).

I fully and completely agree that there is plenty of evidence that Earth is much older than 6,000 years old.
Creationists don't argue that only the ball of rock was created in 6 days. They argue that it went from formless and void full earth as we experience it, including:

light and darkness
atmosphere
dry land, seas and plants
sun, moon, stars and celestial bodies
animals
humans

Here is a decent simple description of how the earth formed, based on the observable evidence:

http://geology.about.com/od/nutshell...earthbirth.htm

If this account is anywhere near accurate, it definitely took more than a few days for the rock to form.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:52 PM   #264
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Creationists don't argue that only the ball of rock was created in 6 days. They argue that it went from formless and void full earth as we experience it, including:

light and darkness
atmosphere
dry land, seas and plants
sun, moon, stars and celestial bodies
animals
humans

Here is a decent simple description of how the earth formed, based on the observable evidence:

http://geology.about.com/od/nutshell...earthbirth.htm
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If this account is anywhere near accurate, it definitely took more than a few days for the rock to form.
Definitely took? Based on what quantifiable and present-day observable evidence?
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:11 PM   #265
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Definitely took? Based on what quantifiable and present-day observable evidence?
First of all, my statement of "definitely took" is dependent on the clause "If this account is anywhere near accurate".

That said, some modern day observable evidence comes from calcium-aluminum rich inclusions. The oldest found in the solar system are 50 to 100 million years older than the oldest found on the earth and moon, which would suggest a planetary formation time greater than 50 to 100 million years (since it took additional time for the inclusions to form from the gases left over after formation of the sun).

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/....cfm?ST_ID=446
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:43 PM   #266
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First of all, my statement of "definitely took" is dependent on the clause "If this account is anywhere near accurate".

That said, some modern day observable evidence comes from calcium-aluminum rich inclusions. The oldest found in the solar system are 50 to 100 million years older than the oldest found on the earth and moon, which would suggest a planetary formation time greater than 50 to 100 million years (since it took additional time for the inclusions to form from the gases left over after formation of the sun).

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/....cfm?ST_ID=446
That's good. But maybe the inclusions formed in a day?
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:29 PM   #267
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That's good. But maybe the inclusions formed in a day?
Inclusions are not planets. Inclusions are found in rocks that have to aggregate to form planets. Aggregation is known to be very slow due to probability of collisions based on physics.

http://www.psi.edu/epo/planets/planets.html
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Inclusions are not planets. Inclusions are found in rocks that have to aggregate to form planets. Aggregation is known to be very slow due to probability of collisions based on physics.

http://www.psi.edu/epo/planets/planets.html
paraphrasing...

....with this program we have a better idea of how planets may or may not form...
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:43 PM   #269
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....with this program we have a better idea of how planets may or may not form...
Right now there is no explanation that better conforms with observations and known physical behavior. Pretty much how all science works.
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Right now there is no explanation that better conforms with observations and known physical behavior. Pretty much how all science works.
based on collisions?

that would be like a fifty car pileup forming a Boeing 747
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