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Old 11-20-2012, 10:53 AM  
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Marco Rubio, Republican Savior?

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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:03 PM   #271
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whoa...a dress...a giraffe support...contrary.
Are you unaware that giraffes can bend their necks?
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:10 PM   #272
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Are you unaware that giraffes can bend their necks?
at what? over a ninety degree angle? they lower their head, but the neck doesn't bend in the middle.

are you aware that they have to spread their front legs just to be able to get to the water...? even then, the system HAD to be in place to fight grvaity

notice how you keep changing the goal posts?

let me know when you have something.

and agian, you've only attempted to dispute giraffes.

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:10 PM   #273
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I didn't read the while thread because it seemed to be a bible thumper vs science argument.

It's hard to call Rubio the savior considering that he's not eligible to run for president.
He was born in the USA. He's eligible. Your parents dont have to be citizens to be eligible.

But, he lied for years to his supporters, the media and to everyone who asked to further his political career. He got his start in politics on a bald faced lie. Can the public can forgive that? They forgave a President getting a blowjob in the oval office. Ya never know.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:29 PM   #274
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at what? over a ninety degree angle? they lower their head, but the neck doesn't bend in the middle.

are you aware that they have to spread their front legs just to be able to get to the water...? even then, the system HAD to be in place to fight gravity

notice how you keep changing the goal posts?

let me know when you have something.

and again, you've only attempted to dispute giraffes.
LOL, I'm not changing any goalposts. You threw several animals out there as "proof" against evolution without actually making any points in reference to those animals. Did you want to enumerate all the aspects of every animal you've listed that can't have possibly been the result of evolution? I picked giraffes out of your list. There are remains of what appears to be animals that would fit the intermediate stages between the modern giraffe and it's ancestors. We can witness inherited physical changes in multiple organisms even now. Again, "God did it" is an easy answer. It's also a cop out.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:32 PM   #275
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Perhaps the problem here is that your looking at the possibility/effect of evolution along that six thousand (ten thousand?) year time period. I'm looking at it as a process involving billions of years of continual change.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:42 PM   #276
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There are remains of what appears to be animals that would fit the intermediate stages between the modern giraffe and it's ancestors Again, "God did it" is an easy answer. It's also a cop out.
I'd love to see it...your key word is APPEARS.

I never said God did it..but I have no problem with that assessment..it's not a cop out...it would do nothing but point to the His ominous magnificance.
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...your key word is APPEARS.

Well, of course. Neither of us were there. All we can do is sift through the leftovers. If you'd truly love to see it go look for it. Google is your friend.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:30 PM   #278
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I'm betting that most candidates have a very good understanding of science.

They just pretend not to, as to pander to the dumbasses in the bible belt.
I read that in all of Congress, there is one engineer and 2 scientists.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #279
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I read that in all of Congress, there is one engineer and 2 scientists.
And a shitload of lawyers. Which probably explains a lot of our problems.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:37 PM   #280
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And a shitload of lawyers. Which probably explains a lot of our problems.
What do you have when you have a bunch of lawyers buried up to their neck in shit? Not enough shit~
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:54 PM   #281
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Wanting anything above minimalist government does not make you big government.
He said at the convention something to the tune of wanting more govt...even in today's climate. That means he for BIG govt. BTW, I am not for minimalist govt, I am for a balance between group and individual...but we're way beyond that at this point. I am for limited govt as set forth in the Constitution which strikes that balance. That was not minimalist. If you think it is, then you're looking at it from the side of big govt or mistake me for being a libertarian which is for minimalist govt aka mini-anarchy.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:56 PM   #282
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I read that in all of Congress, there is one engineer and 2 scientists.
Would you really want an engineer and scientists writing laws? Not that I don't think, anyone else can't serve. Language skills are where lawyers have skills. I suppose that could be pro and con since they get a bit too clever with language when they want too.

My brother is an engineer, but was formerly a meteorology major. He doesn't believe in man-made GW. Nor does Richard Lindzen
Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT support the idea.

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Old 11-22-2012, 11:02 PM   #283
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That actually adds credibility to the conclusions he drew after his examination of the evidence. I'd much rather have a scientist say "Well, this appears to be what's happening here" than have an ideologue say "I know this is what happened, because the Bible (or some other authority) said so".

As has also been pointed out, Einstein expressed reservations about General Relativity, and he flat out refused to believe some of the implications of Quantum Theory. He dismissed the indeterminate nature of it with his famous quote "God doesn't play dice with the universe". The less famous but incredibly awesome rebuttal to that was Neils Bohr's "Don't tell God what to do".

Reservations about a theory by the creator of the theory don't render the theory invalid. They just demonstrate the scientific method at work.
I thought the scientific method was engaging in experiments to prove a theory or hypothesis?
As far as I know there has been no experiments that have created a new species but only micro-evolution.
I don't know if I said Einstein doubted his own theory, but that it was others who claimed it was arbitrary.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:14 AM   #284
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No, he isn't a naturalized US citizen. He was born on US soil. That makes him a natural-born US citizen, even if his parents weren't or aren't.
I cited a specific SCOTUS definition of natural-born citizen that says you are wrong.
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He was born in the USA. He's eligible. Your parents dont have to be citizens to be eligible.

But, he lied for years to his supporters, the media and to everyone who asked to further his political career. He got his start in politics on a bald faced lie. Can the public can forgive that? They forgave a President getting a blowjob in the oval office. Ya never know.
The supreme court disagrees with you.
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