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Old 11-20-2012, 11:53 AM  
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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

I知 not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that痴 a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I知 not a scientist. I don稚 think I知 qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I知 not sure we値l ever be able to answer that. It痴 one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #31
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I could give you 100 facts to back it up, but you wouldn't listen and just laugh and point because it's beyond your capability of understanding. So which makes me ask, why are you asking when you think you already know the answer?
No, I really wouldn't. Present them.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #32
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Billions of years old.
damn, I really thought you were gonna say 6000
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #33
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What's the actual problem with what he says? That he said he knows what the Bible says? Everyone here knows what the Bible says. Or is it that he said parents should be able to teach their kids what they want?
I'm not too familiar with him. Maybe he's made additional comments somewhere else that are more specific.
Or is it that he didn't know the number, because I bet most people here couldn't give you a number without looking it up.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #34
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What science proves that Earth wasn't created in seven days?
and typical, you're too obtuse for words. strike the teaching a pile of rocks how to go fishing... it's like trying to teach quantum physics to a bunny rabbit. all I'll get from you the rest of the thread are little pellets of shit.

have fun with the 20 questions game, man. if you want to be informed, there is a metric-shit-ton of information out there from very reputable sources. believe what you want to believe--if you want to go through life as an ignorant dolt, that's your business.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:22 PM   #35
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go read his quote. it's implied in the 'teach everything in schools' (paraphrased)
Yeah, I read his quote. It wasn't in there. That's why I asked.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:23 PM   #36
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What's the actual problem with what he says? That he said he knows what the Bible says? Everyone here knows what the Bible says. Or is it that he said parents should be able to teach their kids what they want?
I'm not too familiar with him. Maybe he's made additional comments somewhere else that are more specific.
Or is it that he didn't know the number, because I bet most people here couldn't give you a number without looking it up.
there is no specific number, technically... there are estimates, that's the best you can get for 'deep-time' time periods. off the top of head--4.5 billion years, give or take. then again, I'm a science ph.d--maybe I'm not 'most people.'
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:24 PM   #37
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Yeah, I read his quote. It wasn't in there. That's why I asked.
seriously?

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...and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.
this opens all types of doors, man.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:24 PM   #38
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and typical, you're too obtuse for words. strike the teaching a pile of rocks how to go fishing... it's like trying to teach quantum physics to a bunny rabbit. all I'll get from you the rest of the thread are little pellets of shit.

have fun with the 20 questions game, man. if you want to be informed, there is a metric-shit-ton of information out there from very reputable sources. believe what you want to believe--if you want to go through life as an ignorant dolt, that's your business.
Heh. I assure you I'm quite comfortable with science.

I'm well-aware of the evidence supporting that Earth is billions of years old. I'm also aware that it seems that some people are conflating how quickly Earth was created with how old the Earth is.

FYI, they shouldn't be conflated.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:25 PM   #39
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:25 PM   #40
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there is no specific number, technically... there are estimates, that's the best you can get for 'deep-time' time periods. off the top of head--4.5 billion years, give or take. then again, I'm a science ph.d--maybe I'm not 'most people.'
It seems like his comment really wasn't much to get worked up about, really.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:26 PM   #41
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seriously?



this opens all types of doors, man.
Well, it did for you. However, he didn't say that they should teach creationism in school. Not there anyway. Maybe he has somewhere else.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:27 PM   #42
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and typical, you're too obtuse for words. strike the teaching a pile of rocks how to go fishing... it's like trying to teach quantum physics to a bunny rabbit. all I'll get from you the rest of the thread are little pellets of shit.

have fun with the 20 questions game, man. if you want to be informed, there is a metric-shit-ton of information out there from very reputable sources. believe what you want to believe--if you want to go through life as an ignorant dolt, that's your business.
Huh? Donger is anything but obtuse when it comes to science. His Socratic method may get under your skin but you look silly playing the "er you are teh dumbz" card.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:28 PM   #43
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Heh. I assure you I'm quite comfortable with science.

I'm well-aware of the evidence supporting that Earth is billions of years old. I'm also aware that it seems that some people are conflating how quickly Earth was created with how old the Earth is.

FYI, they shouldn't be conflated.
I'll play the game, then (at least, until I go on my lunch break here in a bit)...

define 'created?' the current cosmological model has the earth being 'created' via the typical rocky-planet model, in which meteors and other rocky-materials form a mass as a proto-planet in the early days of the solar system. this isn't a quick process in the least-- try to start gathering rocks and tell me how quickly you have something the size of a continent... it's going to take you MUCH longer than seven days, and that's with dedicated effort and non-random. when you randomize things and throw in the vastness of space, you're looking at at LEAST millions of years, if not billions (I'm not completely up on the number for that, but I'm a geneticist, not a cosmologist)
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #44
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Well I think we have it narrowed down withing 50 million years or so.

I am by no means religious and find the 7 day earth idea silly but, in truth very few of us are scientists and fewer still have preformed the experiments designed to answer these questions. So there is a bit of faith involved in believing they are truthful and actually know what they are doing. I’m more worried about the people that think God has told them how the earth is going to end than the ones arguing how it began. I remember reading an article about scientist using carbon dating to estimate the age of the Sphinx. So riddle me this if you have a 2 billion year old rock you chop it into a different shape how does that change its age. This wasn’t explained but I can only assume they were testing the organic matter mixed in with the mortar but they didn’t bother to explain that since knuckleheads like myself shouldn’t be questioning big brained scientists.
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Heh. I assure you I'm quite comfortable with science.

I'm well-aware of the evidence supporting that Earth is billions of years old. I'm also aware that it seems that some people are conflating how quickly Earth was created with how old the Earth is.

FYI, they shouldn't be conflated.
I can see where you're coming from but then you would have to define what qualifies as earth?

Surely it didn't go from dust floating around the inner solar system to a solid sphere in a matter of 7 days.
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