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Old 11-20-2012, 06:19 PM  
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We're on pace to warm the planet by 4 degrees by 2100.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-is-terrified/

We’re on pace for 4C of global warming. Here’s why that terrifies the World Bank.
Posted by Brad Plumer
on November 19, 2012 at 11:28 am

Over the years at the U.N. climate talks, the goal has been to keep future global warming below 2C. But as those talks have faltered, emissions have kept rising, and that 2C goal is now looking increasingly out of reach. Lately, the conversation has shifted toward how to deal with 3C of warming. Or 4C. Or potentially more.

And that topic has made a lot of people awfully nervous. Case in point: The World Bank just commissioned an analysis (pdf) by scientists at the Potsdam Institute looking at the consequences of a 4C rise in global temperatures above pre-industrial levels by 2100. And the report appears to have unnerved many bank officials. “The latest predictions on climate change should shock us into action,” wrote World Bank President Jim Yong Kim in an op-ed after the report was released Monday.

So what exactly has got the World Bank so worried? Partly it’s the prospect that a 4C world could prove difficult—perhaps impossible—for many poorer countries to adapt to. Let’s take a closer look at the report:

1) The world is currently on pace for around 3C to 4C of global warming by the end of the century. In recent years, a number of nations have promised to cut their carbon emissions. The United States and Europe are even on pace to meet their goals. But those modest efforts can only do so much, especially as emissions in China and India keep rising. Even if all current pledges get carried out, the report notes, ”the world [is] on a trajectory for a global mean warming of well over 3C.” And current climate models still suggest a 20 percent chance of 4C warming in this emissions scenario.

2) The direct consequences of a 4C rise in global temperatures could be stark. Four degrees may not sound like much. But, the report points out, the world was only about 4C to 7C cooler, on average, during the last ice age, when large parts of Europe and the United States was covered by glaciers. Warming the planet up in the opposite direction could bring similarly drastic changes, such as three feet or more of sea-level rise by 2100, more severe heat waves, and regional extinction of coral reef ecosystems.

3) Climate change would likely hit poorer countries hardest. The World Bank focuses on poverty reduction, so its climate report spends most of its time looking at how developing countries could struggle in a warmer world. For instance, a growing number of studies suggest that agricultural production could take a big hit under 3C or 4C of warming. Countries like Bangladesh, Egypt, Vietnam, and parts of Africa would also see large tracts of farmland made unusable by rising seas. “It seems clear,” the report concludes, “that climate change in a 4C world could seriously undermine poverty alleviation in many regions.”

4) Yet the effects of 4C warming haven’t been fully assessed — they could, potentially, be more drastic than expected. Perhaps the most notable bit of the World Bank report is its discussion of the limits of current climate forecasts. Many models, it notes, make predictions in a fairly linear fashion, expecting the impacts of 4C of warming to be roughly twice as severe as those from 2C of warming. But this could prove to be wrong. Different effects could combine together in unexpected ways:

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For example, nonlinear temperature effects on crops are likely to be extremely relevant as the world warms to 2C and above. However, most of our current crop models do not yet fully account for this effect, or for the potential increased ranges of variability (for example, extreme temperatures, new invading pests and diseases, abrupt shifts in critical climate factors that have large impacts on yields and/or quality of grains).
What’s more, the report points out that there are large gaps in our understanding of what 4C of warming might bring: “For instance,” it notes, “there has not been a study published in the scientific literature on the full ecological, human, and economic consequences of a collapse of coral reef ecosystems.”

5) Some countries might not be able to adapt to a 4C world. At the moment, the World Bank helps many poorer countries build the necessary infrastructure to adapt to a warmer world. That includes dams and seawalls, crop research, freshwater management, and so forth. But, as a recent internal review found, most of these World Bank efforts are focused on relatively small increases in temperature.

This new World Bank report is less sure how to prepare for a 4C world. “[G]iven that uncertainty remains about the full nature and scale of impacts, there is also no certainty that adaptation to a 4C world is possible.” That’s why, the report concludes, “The projected 4C warming simply must not be allowed to occur — the heat must be turned down. Only early, cooperative, international actions can make that happen.”

So what sorts of actions might that entail? The International Energy Agency recently offered its own set of ideas for curbing greenhouse-gas emissions and keeping future warming below 2C. That included everything from boosting renewable energy to redesigning the world’s transportation system. But so far, nations have only made small progress on most of these steps.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:31 PM   #16
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I personally hope it's not just him.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:59 PM   #17
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It certainly doesn't help that a huge percentage of rain forests have been cut down because those countries are ****ed up shitholes that force their citizens to cut down trees so they can farm.

Nobody seems to talk about that as a reason why there's an inordinate amount of CO2 in the atmosphere causing the warming. That shit was soooo 1980s. Now it's all the Western nations' faults.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:41 PM   #18
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Wow. What a surprise! The organization that would benefit the most from a carbon tax system is releasing propaganda about how we need to act QUICK and implement a carbon tax system! BRUTAL!
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:31 AM   #19
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Have to give it to the liberals for being 'all in' on the bullshit... we are NOT causing global warming ( sorry Al Gore - you stood to make millions, I know )...
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:34 AM   #20
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Have to give it to the liberals for being 'all in' on the bullshit... we are NOT causing global warming ( sorry Al Gore - you stood to make millions, I know )...
Thank you kind sir for clearing that up
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:54 AM   #21
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Thank you kind sir for clearing that up
cleared up?

oh wait...















now what was that you were saying?
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:57 AM   #22
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I'm a big fan of global warming and polar ice melting. Worse case scenario, I get skin cancer. Doubtful since I don't hang out at the beach much. Best case scenario, blue states get drowned with water. Land becomes more scarce. Therefore my property value goes up. Instead of balls cold winters, balmy winters w/ no snow. Why did we have to ban CFCs? ****
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:17 AM   #23
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It sounds like we already gave at the office. I'll be anxiously observing the dastardly culprits in India and China waiting for their globe saving reforms.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:25 AM   #28
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Have to give it to the liberals for being 'all in' on the bullshit... we are NOT causing global warming ( sorry Al Gore - you stood to make millions, I know )...
Hooray republicans creating their own math and science reality yet again. How did that work out for you with the un-skewed polls thing?

At some point do you ever start to think mainstream science might have it right, and you are a random collection of bloggers, propagandists and paid shill scientists running the same playbook the tobacco lobby ran for 40 years, often with even the same scientists might have a wrong? Does that ever creep in your mind?
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:24 PM   #29
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That's entirely irrelevent to the issue of climate change.

A few points to make:

1. climate change is occurring. That is absolutely indisputable. What I understand to be somewhat in dispute, however, is the degree to which human activity is causing or contributing to the climate change.

2. The US, through a variety of factors (very few of which are attributable to governmental action, actually) is seeing its contribution to the climate change situation shrink year after year. We are, in short, becoming much, MUCH better at not contributing to this problem.

3. The developing world, however, is increasingly contributing to it. The problem is that it's hard for them to keep developing without increasing, rather dramatically, their carbon footprint. As I understand it, OUR carbon footprint is still massive -- probably the largest on earth for any country, but we're getting better. Many countries with very low/non-existent carbon footprints wish (not unreasonably) to have the same wealth etc. that we have, and therefore are dramatically growing their carbon footprint. Dealing with that issue is massively difficult, and not solely within our control.

4. As I said before, climate change IS happening. We are therefore far better off if we take steps NOW to deal with what is inevitable, rather than letting another Sandy wipe out major metropolitan areas. A huge percentage of the wealth, resources, and population of this country are along the two coasts, and we need to devote major attention to getting them ready, to the extent necessary, for a dramaticaly different climate. (I profess ignorance as to whether those along rivers would also need to adjust, but if so, let's do it).
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My son will be 100 by then.

It's incredibly arrogant to believe humans can stop the Earth from evolving.

It was here billions of yrs before humans and will be here long after humans are gone.

Deal with it.


The relevant points are (1) to the extent humans are contributing ot the problem, what can we do to reduce/minimize that, and (2) what should we do as a result of this changing world climate to better prepare ourselves to deal with it.
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