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Old 11-24-2012, 04:48 AM  
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Notice how many gods you reject.

Proof #28 - Notice how many gods you reject

There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real.

If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc.

There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyze any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:50 PM   #286
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How could you have been confused by my response?
Not confused, just clarifying.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM   #287
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Not confused, just clarifying.
If you're not confused, what's unclear?
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:00 PM   #288
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not the TJ letter again..

..ignore the Washington monument, ignore the Liberty Bell, ignore the Jefferson Memorial..get it out so the fundamental transformation can take place.

"And with all deceitfulness of unrightousness in them that perish:because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

In the near future, and it's already starting, look for those who wiil do backflips to discredit God and Christians, will go to bat to defend Allah and Islam.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:24 PM   #289
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For those who hang their hat on Divine Providence as in God's intervention on the world claiming we would not have morals without him. That is fine as long as those people will acknowledge the same God created those who are evil and commit atrocious acts. They cannot have it both ways. I happen to believe it is a survival instinct derived from countless years of humans recognizing the need to work together. If you have ever walked near a birds nest and ducked as the mother bird swooped down on you several times attempting to chase you away from her offspring, or witnessed a female dog protect her litter you have a hint to what I am getting at.

One man could not kill a predator by himself, however 5 men could. Man learned that they must look out for each other in order to survive. A person only needs to see the genocide, rape, murder that goes on everyday to understand some humans do not care and clearly no invisible man is involved. If he is, then he is either incompetent or capricious at best. I have many flaws but put forth an effort to help those who need help and exceed the 10% vig charge by the holy every year. I am a nonbeliever so how does the invisible man fit into my equation?
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:27 PM   #290
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not the TJ letter again..

..ignore the Washington monument, ignore the Liberty Bell, ignore the Jefferson Memorial..get it out so the fundamental transformation can take place.

"And with all deceitfulness of unrightousness in them that perish:because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

In the near future, and it's already starting, look for those who wiil do backflips to discredit God and Christians, will go to bat to defend Allah and Islam.
Bro where does it state this is a Christian nation...not anywhere~
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:28 PM   #291
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not the TJ letter again..

..ignore the Washington monument, ignore the Liberty Bell, ignore the Jefferson Memorial..get it out so the fundamental transformation can take place.

"And with all deceitfulness of unrightousness in them that perish:because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

In the near future, and it's already starting, look for those who wiil do backflips to discredit God and Christians, will go to bat to defend Allah and Islam.
I know as if it's never been used before in this argument—particularly by atheists.
They ALWAYS use that like clockwork it's so predictable. Seen it a zillion times. Quotes by other Founders get ignored and Madison changed his views on some things so it depends on what period his words get used from. Ultimately he did not take a hard line clear line. ( In fact he didn't even get the Constitution he wanted, being a Federalist. Later he went with Jefferson's side after he saw what Hamilton did after ratification and under Washington. )

Now we need to remove images of the Ten Commandments in the SC building which places them on par with other laws showing their historical influence. Only 4 commandments are visible leaving out the first two very religious ones.Then remove the court room frieze which shows there's other historic and religious lawgivers such as Islam ( Muhammad is shown holding the Quran), Confucianism, sun worship, Egyptian and Greek/Roman paganism.

Yup, some atheists want freedom from any mention of religion. Meanwhile, the SC has never judged "in God we trust" to be an excessive entanglement with religion.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:47 PM   #292
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Atheist Family Loses Lawsuit to Have ‘Under God’ Removed From the Pledge of Allegiance

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/athe...of-allegiance/

Some have tried to get "In God We Trust" off of our money too.
You read the blaze? That explains so many things.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:51 PM   #293
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You read the blaze? That explains so many things.
No I don't. I just googled the concept because I know that's happened before.* That was at the top of the list. But I see you got nuthin but a logical fallacy. Thank you very much for ceding the point.

* actually was looking for another specific case because I couldn't remember the man's name.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:15 PM   #294
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You read the blaze? That explains so many things.
She is a odd duck. I took exception to a misleading post from her regarding Jewish leaders meeting with Iranian leadership. Knowing her history as a Iran apologist it angered me. I have since realized I was giving her too much credit to think she was being disingenuous. It was a wacko fringe group and an absolute insult to the Jewish community to pretend those shitbags represent the Jewish community. She however was convinced this was worthy of posting not realizing it occurred in 2007 and has been widely mocked and dismissed. She clearly thought it was recent. Much like her stolen election thread from the other day. She is the perfect target for people like Glenn Beck~
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:27 PM   #295
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Bro where does it state this is a Christian nation...not anywhere~
and the beat goes on...
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:29 PM   #296
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If you're not confused, what's unclear?
Just making sure that is what you meant to say. So your stance is that some people will kill themselves to avoid feeling bad rather than a sense of duty?
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:12 PM   #297
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Just making sure that is what you meant to say. So your stance is that some people will kill themselves to avoid feeling bad rather than a sense of duty?
What does killing yourself have to do with Congressional Medal of Honor winners? I don't understand what is so difficult about this.
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She is a odd duck. I took exception to a misleading post from her regarding Jewish leaders meeting with Iranian leadership. Knowing her history as a Iran apologist it angered me. I have since realized I was giving her too much credit to think she was being disingenuous. It was a wacko fringe group and an absolute insult to the Jewish community to pretend those shitbags represent the Jewish community. She however was convinced this was worthy of posting not realizing it occurred in 2007 and has been widely mocked and dismissed. She clearly thought it was recent. Much like her stolen election thread from the other day. She is the perfect target for people like Glenn Beck~
Yup more logical fallacies by a real redneck. You've even stooped allying with an Obama-bot too.
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What does killing yourself have to do with Congressional Medal of Honor winners? I don't understand what is so difficult about this.
The conversation was started on the basis that everything acts in their own self interest. Brock stated that a congressional medal of honor winner blows that theory out of the water(I presume that you, Brock, and I assume that means someone giving their life so another can live). You stated that it didn't, because they'd be doing out of self interest Your premise to back that up was they would do so in order to not feel "bad" I disagree. I state they do that out of duty to others, not self interest.

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The conversation was started on the basis that everything acts in their own self interest. Brock stated that a congressional medal of honor winner blows that theory out of the water(I presume that you, Brock, and I assume that means someone giving their life so another can live). You stated that it didn't, because they'd be doing out of self interest Your premise to back that up was they would do so in order to not feel "bad" I disagree. I state they do that out of duty to others, not self interest.

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I've been up to speed the whole time. Even if they do it out of what you call duty to others, it's because they think that fulfilling their duty is more satisfying than violating it.
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