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Old 11-24-2012, 04:48 AM  
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Notice how many gods you reject.
Proof #28 - Notice how many gods you reject

There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real.

If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc.

There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyze any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:45 PM   #301
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I've been up to speed the whole time. Even if they do it out of what you call duty to others, it's because they think that fulfilling their duty is more satisfying than violating it.
what does satisfaction have to do with self interests?
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1) Supposing the dog knows he does wrong, that feeling is still taught to him by humans.

2) The dog knows he did wrong because of the reaction from the human.
Sure, I agree. I was using dogs as an example that animals can get "right" and "wrong."
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not the TJ letter again..

It's not going to go away. Why are you so willing to reference the DOI in legal matters even though it has no bearing, and yet you turn a deaf ear to it's author when he explains part of the Constitution?
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Sure, I agree. I was using dogs as an example that animals can get "right" and "wrong."
I don't know that that means they do "get" it.
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I don't know that that means they do "get" it.
They seem to display the signs of guilt. Well, the smart ones seem to.
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Sure, I agree. I was using dogs as an example that animals can get "right" and "wrong."
What animal can get right or wrong?
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Have you ever owned a dog?
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They seem to display the signs of guilt. Well, the smart ones seem to.
Yes, there are visible signs, but I still don't think that means much. Their wrongs won't eat at them like Raskolnikov afterwards.
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Have you ever owned a dog?
Yes I have. Yes they are loving. They know the hand that feeds them, they know if they do wrong they will be punished, but they do not possess rational thought.

Why does a dog cower when he sees your reaction to a bad thing? Because he's pondered the morality of his actions or he reads your emotions?
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what does satisfaction have to do with self interests?
It's a form of self interest.
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It's a form of self interest.
and let me guess people act upon their self interest because it is satisfying
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It's not going to go away. Why are you so willing to reference the DOI in legal matters even though it has no bearing, and yet you turn a deaf ear to it's author when he explains part of the Constitution?


That letter to the Dansbury Baptists has as much bearing on the the intent of the Constitution as your earlier wiki quote has on the Quaran. Nada.

but hey, keep beating that drum.
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and let me guess people act upon their self interest because it is satisfying
I think I've lost interest in this. If you make an interesting point, I'll get back to you.
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That letter to the Dansbury Baptists has as much bearing on the the intent of the Constitution as your earlier wiki quote has on the Quaran. Nada.

but hey, keep beating that drum.
How much bearing on the intent of the Constitution does the Washington Monument, Liberty Bell, and Jefferson Memorial have?
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I think I've lost interest in this. If you make an interesting point, I'll get back to you.
I lost it a while back, however, I just wanted to see how long it took before you started going circular.
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