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Old 11-29-2012, 09:02 AM  
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Post your top 5 rock bands of all time

I'm interested in seeing what era most people's favorites come from and if there are more US bands or UK bands (or Scandinavian if you're Reaper16)

Clean sweep for the Brits for me.

1. The Beatles
2. Rolling Stones
3. Led Zep
4. Pink Floyd
5. The Who

Define band however you want. If you want to throw Elvis on your list, do it.

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Old 11-29-2012, 04:02 PM   #361
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Just my personal:

1. Abbey Road
2. Revolver
3. Rubber Soul
4. Sgt. Pepper
Thanks. I just picked up Revolver and Abbey Road. I figured Sgt Pepper was a given so was trying to decide past that (Rubber Soul or White Album or ?).
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:03 PM   #362
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Since there are a lot of Beatles fans here, I have a question:

If you could only have four of their albums, which would you choose?
Rubber Soul
Abbey Road
White Album
Sgt. Pepper's
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:04 PM   #363
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not bad...White Album gets the nod over Pepper by about 35 minutes or so
I went back and forth on that. Hated to leave White Album off. Make it a list of 5 and no problem.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:05 PM   #364
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The Rockman/Boston/Def Leppard discussion is interesting because I'm facing this conundrum right now.

I have a nice tube amp and it sounds screaming great - turned all the way up to 11. On 1/4 volume, it doesn't sound AT ALL like I need it to sound.

I'm working on my album in my bedroom, on a home PC, and I really have no choice - I HAVE to use an amp simulator to get anywhere close to the sound I want because other people live here and I have to be mindful of their ****ing ears.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:05 PM   #365
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We're making a record right now, and I have 3 or 4 bass signals at a time and one of them is a direct through a preamp in case we wind up using a plug-in during the mixing stage...I'm just trying NOT to.
And personally, I hate that approach.

Get a great bass tone from the amp, cabinet, microphone, instrument, strings, pick/fingers and record.

Make a decision and go with it. Having options doesn't make the music any better and it generally tends to **** things up come mixing time.

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The producer knows and can hear...that's a big reasons why even rock producers went to Rockmans and triggered drums
No, not really. Not at all, actually.

The Rockman was a new creative tool and it sounded unlike any other guitar amp or guitar recording chain. Same with drum machines. There was an isolation that had never existed before and new sound.


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...and why they do plug-ins and triggered drums now. Control, absolute control.
Again, that's not true at all.

Drum samples came into play for various reasons. A guy like CLA uses them because it defines his sound. Bob Clearmountain used them and shared his library with others because it defined his sound.

Producers don't generally use drum samples unless they ****ed something up while tracking and that usually isn't the case. Mixers like to supplement recorded drums with samples to fit their vision, although it's not unlikely that the drums are replaced in their entirety.


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It will sound slightly different every time no matter what. A lot of ears can't even tell the difference from day to day, but it's there. It's a natural byproduct of analog gear and acoustical physics.
I just don't agree, whatsoever. If you're using high end gear like Neve, SSL, API, Drawmer, Empirical Labs, Vintech, etc. and so on and the gear is properly maintained in a clean, temperature controlled room, there is absolutely no reason why anything should sound different from day to day.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:14 PM   #366
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Really hard to nail it down to only 5. And I can't include my own band...heh.

Alice Cooper
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Queen
Creedence

But it's not by far a complete list...
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:17 PM   #367
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And personally, I hate that approach.

Get a great bass tone from the amp, cabinet, microphone, instrument, strings, pick/fingers and record.

Make a decision and go with it. Having options doesn't make the music any better and it generally tends to **** things up come mixing time.
Totally with you on this - I'm just running extra tracks to appease everyone else.

Come mixing time...we're using my stereo-miked cabs. Already a done deal.

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The Rockman was a new creative tool and it sounded unlike any other guitar amp or guitar recording chain. Same with drum machines. There was an isolation that had never existed before and new sound.
Just never was a fan. Compressed and sterile, to my ears.

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Drum samples came into play for various reasons. A guy like CLA uses them because it defines his sound. Bob Clearmountain used them and shared his library with others because it defined his sound.

Producers don't generally use drum samples unless they ****ed something up while tracking and that usually isn't the case. Mixers like to supplement recorded drums with samples to fit their vision, although it's not unlikely that the drums are replaced in their entirety.
They do that nowadays, in the 'modern rock' world. Not drum samples, but triggers on the actual drums, so that it's actually someone playing, for a 'live band' feel, but digitally triggered.

Think any Nickleback, Disturbed, or Saliva record you've ever heard.

Again, not a fan.

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I just don't agree, whatsoever. If you're using high end gear like Neve, SSL, API, Drawmer, Empirical Labs, Vintech, etc. and so on and the gear is properly maintained in a clean, temperature controlled room, there is absolutely no reason why anything should sound different from day to day.
Dude, it's all top notch gear. If you're feeling different each day, the guitar plays different each day.

It may just be a musician thing...of course I'm a weirdo with acute hearing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:19 PM   #368
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And personally, I hate that approach.

Get a great bass tone from the amp, cabinet, microphone, instrument, strings, pick/fingers and record.

Make a decision and go with it. Having options doesn't make the music any better and it generally tends to **** things up come mixing time.
For the record, I wasn't dissing you for taking this approach, I just don't like it. I have many producer friends that will do the same thing and take a D.I. with every mic'd bass track and I've told them to nut up, make a decision and roll with it. Some have followed my advice and some have respectfully declined.



But if you have a bass tone, it shouldn't be difficult to capture with one microphone. If you don't know what you're going for or the producer is unsure, that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:19 PM   #369
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The Rockman/Boston/Def Leppard discussion is interesting because I'm facing this conundrum right now.

I have a nice tube amp and it sounds screaming great - turned all the way up to 11. On 1/4 volume, it doesn't sound AT ALL like I need it to sound.

I'm working on my album in my bedroom, on a home PC, and I really have no choice - I HAVE to use an amp simulator to get anywhere close to the sound I want because other people live here and I have to be mindful of their ****ing ears.
Maybe a small tube amp, or a plug-in like AmpFarm would work.

A Line 6 pod woukd probably be the cheapest route, but...they only sound like 90% of the way there.

Orange makes an awesome little amp called the Tiny Terror, i think it has like a 5/15w switch. Flip it to 5, stick it in the closet with a mic, put on your headphones and wail away! (
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For the record, I wasn't dissing you for taking this approach, I just don't like it. I have many producer friends that will do the same thing and take a D.I. with every mic'd bass track and I've told them to nut up, make a decision and roll with it. Some have followed my advice and some have respectfully declined.



But if you have a bass tone, it shouldn't be difficult to capture with one microphone. If you don't know what you're going for or the producer is unsure, that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

Like I said, literally just doing to appease everyone else; when it comes time to mix, I'm using my mic'ed cabs. Maybe in stereo, maybe just the one. But it sounds great, the dailys with the mic'ed bas sounds great, so...I've already made up my mind.
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Orange makes an awesome little amp called the Tiny Terror, i think it has like a 5/15w switch. Flip it to 5, stick it in the closet with a mic, put on your headphones and wail away! (
I've been looking at one but I just bought a bass and 15W bass amp, plus some recording equipment so I'm kinda tapped for that sort of thing right now.

I've been playing around with some VST simulators from LePou plugins and they're actually kind of cool...
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Dude, it's all top notch gear. If you're feeling different each day, the guitar plays different each day.

It may just be a musician thing...of course I'm a weirdo with acute hearing.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it has more to do with someone's head than the actual gear itself.

And I've got just a wee bit experience in this arena myself.
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Thanks. I just picked up Revolver and Abbey Road. I figured Sgt Pepper was a given so was trying to decide past that (Rubber Soul or White Album or ?).
Do you like straight-up rock with weird shit (White Album) or experimental power-pop perfection (Rubber Soul)??
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it has more to do with someone's head than the actual gear itself.

And I've got just a wee bit experience in this arena myself.
I can tell.
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The Rockman/Boston/Def Leppard discussion is interesting because I'm facing this conundrum right now.

I have a nice tube amp and it sounds screaming great - turned all the way up to 11. On 1/4 volume, it doesn't sound AT ALL like I need it to sound.

I'm working on my album in my bedroom, on a home PC, and I really have no choice - I HAVE to use an amp simulator to get anywhere close to the sound I want because other people live here and I have to be mindful of their ****ing ears.
Check out Guitar Rig 5. It has a ton of emulators, cabinets and mics to choose from. It should be more than adequate.
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