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Old 12-01-2012, 07:52 AM  
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Shooting at Arrowhead- Chiefs player commits suicide

No details yet. Just came across on the news.

edit: Sources say the player is Jovan Belcher. Police have yet to confirm.

An unnamed Kansas City Chiefs player has committed suicide at the team facility and authorities are on the scene, the police confirmed to ESPN on Saturday morning.

Local reports say police are operating with the belief the player fatally shot his girlfriend at a house before driving to Arrowhead Stadium and killing himself at around 8 a.m local time. The Associated Press reported the player's age to be 25.

"We can confirm that there was an incident at Arrowhead earlier this morning," the Chiefs said in a statement. "We are cooperating with authorities in their investigation."

There were no other injuries at the team facility, police said.

The Chiefs (1-10) were preparing to host the Carolina Panthers on Sunday.

The NFL has told the Panthers to travel as planned to Kansas City on Saturday, the Charlotte Observer has reported, citing interim general manager Brandon Beane.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/86...-team-facility

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Old 12-01-2012, 12:22 PM   #1066
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I'm really having conflicted feelings about it.

I really liked Belcher as a player.

But I guess what's right is right. He did a horrible thing.
I am an easy going guy. There isn't much that really gets me worked up and pissed off, but this is one of those subjects. Because of that, I'll keep my mouth shut as much as I can.

Belcher probably overachieved as a pro. Came from a tiny ass school to make it as a starter in the NFL. Very commendable. Just goes to show that you really never know what's going on with any given person.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:22 PM   #1067
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Sadly from my memory the NFL has never cancelled a game over a death. They may have postponed something for a 2-3 days later but never cancel (not so a individual death but a national incident). Sadly I figured they were going to say the show must go on.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:22 PM   #1068
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This death is a shattering blow to the team's psyche and confidence. I can't imagine many of the guys possess the will to play football at the moment.

It may be prudent at the end of the year even moreso now to let go of Pioli and Crennel if Clark wasn't already planning on doing so. Continuing the administration like this just sort of mires a coaching staff and a team in the past, which is never a good thing.
This.

For both his own mental well being and for the good of this entire organization... Pioli should resign.

The past 12 months for this franchise have been tragic... and this includes not just today's murder suicide but also the murder suicide of a Chiefs employee earlier this fall.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:22 PM   #1069
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That's a fake account.
Has it been confirmed as being fake?

It's not his actual account, I know, but I have looked and I have seen some are skeptical while others seem that the account is his agent's.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:23 PM   #1070
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For continuity sake, don't know when it's safe to fire them, especially since they were only people to hear his last words. It's possible Pioli could "step" down and Crennel "retire" but have still been forced out.
The Chiefs don't need to worry about preserving any type of continuity that currently exists within the organization. The sooner both are gone, the sooner the Chiefs can start heading in anther/better direction.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:23 PM   #1071
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Lots of posts. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I think it would a nice gesture to donate all the money to SOC to the little girl left behind. I'm figuring its been thought of by one of you guys already. I'd be willing to donate to that cause.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:23 PM   #1072
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If I'm Clark, I'm calling a team meeting and letting the players and coaches vote on whether to play tomorrow or not. Majority decides and I'll deal with the fallout from Goodell.
Honestly, this should be the course of action here. I can not even imagine the vehement response Goodell would receive if he tried to fine the team for this decision.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:24 PM   #1073
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is a fake twitter account really trying to make money off of this?
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:24 PM   #1074
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Lots of posts. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I think it would a nice gesture to donate all the money to SOC to the little girl left behind. I'm figuring its been thought of by one of you guys already. I'd be willing to donate to that cause.
Very good idea, Mr. okcchief. Count me in on that deal.

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is a fake twitter account really trying to make money off of this?

Edit: Confirmed fake. Deleting the post.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:26 PM   #1076
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I would hope no one on here wished death on any player, even in jest. I mean, we're a pretty stupid fan base, but I would hope we aren't that stupid.
AFAICR, the worst I ever got was a non-painful injury to Cassel that served solely to take him out of football.

Not my proudest moment, but I retained my respect for Cassel as a person and wished him no ill outside of excising him from the Chiefs' roster, and Pioli's unfathomable unshakable faith in the guy had me at my wits end for a moment.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:26 PM   #1077
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if Belcher were some sort of raggedy, worthless hobo instead of a professional football player, people wouldn't give two dull damns about him. They'd throw some dirt on him and call it a day. Personally, I have a limited amount of compassion for people who intentionally hurt other people then feel sorry for themselves.

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True: There are murders about every other week in KC. This was simply murder #103 this year in Kansas City. This time, because it was an NFL player, it's made to be national news. If this is Javon Belcher, plumber, it's page four on the KC Star and third or fourth story in on the local news.

Also, 97% of cities in the USA are safer than KC:
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #1078
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I note that there are a lot of posters who feel it's heartless to blame Belcher for these events and I understand their point of view.

For my part, I am extremely sensitive to the needs and problems associated with the mentally ill. That is an undeniable, historical fact. God knows I've known my share of people who suffered from all sorts of severe emotional issues.

However, I see it this way ... assuming the early reports are factual, I can't help but believe that there is another way to deal with your problems outside of killing your girlfriend (in front of your mother, no less) then killing yourself. Belcher wasn't certifiably insane. He didn't think he was Napoleon or see bats under his bed. He was, by all accounts, completely functional. It's pretty obvious that he went temporarily mad, did something horrible in a fit of uncontrollable rage, then decided to either punish himself or escape punishment.

But based on what we know he did, if Belcher were some sort of raggedy, worthless hobo instead of a professional football player, people wouldn't give two dull damns about him. They'd throw some dirt on him and call it a day. Personally, I have a limited amount of compassion for people who intentionally hurt other people then feel sorry for themselves.

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Well said, my experience as well. And again, the drug alcohol is a depressant and can cause temporary and or permanent mental illness.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #1079
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If the Chiefs really wanted to they could forfeit the game and pay the players their salary and incentives for the game. Sure the organization would be out a game but it is up to the team in the end.

In the end there will be some that won't want to play and some that would want to play due to it giving them a normal setting for a brief period of time.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:29 PM   #1080
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What a sad day.

Prayers go to the families...that's got to be an extremely tough loss for all involved.
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