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Old 12-03-2012, 05:44 PM  
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JWhit doubles down on Guns, NRA, KKK

Jason is really a bit out there. This sort of thing does not bode well for anyone

http://rolandmartinreports.com/blog/...urder-suicide/

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WHITLOCK: Sports gets so much attention, and people tune out the real world, that I try to take advantage of the opportunity to talk about the real world when sports lends itself to that and try to open peopleís eyes. You know, I did not go as far as Iíd like to go because my thoughts on the NRA and Americaís gun culture Ė I believe the NRA is the new KKK. And that the arming of so many black youths, uh, and loading up our community with drugs, and then just having an open shooting gallery, is the work of people who obviously donít have our best interests [at heart].

I think itís obvious if youíve traveled abroad, and traveled to countries where they have legitimate gun laws, that we donít have to have what we have in America, where people somehow think a gun enhances their liberty, and that people somehow think a gun makes them safer. It just doesnít. A gun turns some kids listening to music into a murder scene. And uh, you know, if you donít have a gun, you drive home. You know, kids listening to some loud music, you donít like it, you go home and complain to your wife. But when you have a gun, you open fire, potentially, and take the life of a child.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:22 PM   #16
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I don't really know where I stand on this issue. I don't own a gun but I'm thinking of getting a hand gun for personal protection. I've gone to shooting ranges a couple of times, but would take hand gun training classes if I bought one. If confronted with a situation where my life or my family was at danger, I'm not sure how I'd react. If you hesitate to shoot the bad guy, you may die. I have a pretty bad temper and I think a gun could get me into trouble. There were times during my divorce (20 years ago) I had some pretty bad thoughts of what to do to my ex-wife. If I had a gun, it I might have gone through with it and could have ended up like Belcher. It was one of the low points of my life, but I sought out counseling because I didn't feel in control of my anger.

In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:23 PM   #17
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:24 PM   #18
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Maybe he should be focusing on abuse of prescription drugs mixed with booze benders, appropriate separation techniques and spousal abuse.

Focus on the shit that actually caused this mess.

If any inanimate object helped cause this, it wasn't the gun.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:25 PM   #19
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...In regards to the pro gun people, how do you explain the high number of deaths by guns in the US compared to other countries? The statistics seem to support tighter gun controls, or is this just twisted information?

Below is a US state by state comparison-

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...deaths/69354/#
It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:27 PM   #20
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What Jason doesn't get was Belcher shot her nine times that is rage. She was gonna die with or without a gun.
I totally agree.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:28 PM   #21
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Maybe he should be focusing on abuse of prescription drugs mixed with booze benders, appropriate separation techniques and spousal abuse.

Focus on the shit that actually caused this mess.

If any inanimate object helped cause this, it wasn't the gun.
Guns get a lot more attention a.k.a readers.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:28 PM   #22
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now

orth reading since they reference data that is newer than 2007. The dude at the Atlantic was doing a history lesson, not reporting.
I may have missed something here, but there's nothing in this article to indicate more guns equates to less crime.
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I wonder if Whitlock or Bob Costas were banging the gong for Knife Control when OJ killed his wife and her boyfriend.....or when Ray Lewis' posse killed people after the superbowl.......
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It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.
What you need to do here is point people to Switzerland. They have a higher gun ownership rate and almost no gun violence.

Then he comes back with how Switzerland also has much stricter gun laws.

Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them. Swiss gun laws work because they have a manageable population and less crime in general.
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It's a bit misleading when you take into account population. It would be more accurate if you looked at urban/rural populations versus statewide. The most restrictive gun laws are in NYC and DC. They're typically highest when you look at cities versus states. In any event, Im willing to take my chances...its my free liberty at stake. Someone wants to perpetrate crime on me, they better be ready for a gun fight.
You see, it's self-perpetuating. "They have guns, so I need guns". That's why I'm thinking of getting a gun, and to take out zombies during the apocalypse.
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What Jason doesn't get was Belcher shot her nine times that is rage. She was gonna die with or without a gun.
Yeah, in a fit of rage he could have just as easily killed her with his bare hands especially considering the physical shape that he was in.
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I'd rather point them to Chicago or Washington DC which have the toughest gun regulation in the country and highest crime and murder rates.
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Words can not explain the level of stupidity in that.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:34 PM   #29
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Then you come back with our gun laws work perfectly when people follow them....
Bingo! The law abiding follow the laws, the lawless dont. Which is why the need for the citizens to have guns. You got it!

I'll excuse the 'manageable population' comments...I'll let it go.
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I'd rather point them to Chicago or Washington DC which have the toughest gun regulation in the country and highest crime and murder rates.
Not as effective, as the gun control is because of the crime and not vice-versa. But still a valid point.
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