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Old 12-04-2012, 11:48 AM  
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New York Post NFL writer on Clark - "Didnít strike me as the sharpest guy around."

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Old 12-05-2012, 07:55 PM   #316
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Kraft got lucky as shit with Tom Brady. End of the story.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:55 PM   #317
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Yeah, those owner guys, they're useless parts of the team... You can't be serious! If you mean they don't make tackles, well that's correct, but it's like your saying when a homeowner has a house custom-built, the homeowner has little to do with the end result. Sure there are plenty of people between the homeowner and the roofer, but to suggest the homeowner amounts to nothing seems a bit disingenuous at best. Now the way they make a difference in the team is different than the GM, HC or QB, but they sure as hell should make a difference.
Read what my post was in response to. There are clearly good owners and bad owners. But the good owners aren't ones with good "football IQ". Or that is to say that their football IQ isn't the difference maker. They aren't making decisions about personnel. You think Kraft tells Bellichek what to do? Kraft has influence on how the team is run overall and that's not about football IQ. You don't need to know the game of football at a high level to be a good NFL owner. That was my point.

I don't really like the house analogy only because the overall judging of a house is based off of opinion or feel while an NFL team are results.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:58 PM   #318
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Looking at the math... In a league of 32 teams, each with 16 teams, I'd say you should be competing for the trophy once every 16 years or so.

So why do you think Kraft is so successful? He just got lucky with a HC? I'll admit he did, but it might not have just been luck, let's not forget that many people questioned that at the time. He hired a competent HC and gave him more control over final decisions than the GM (Pioli!).. Maybe he just got lucky, maybe he's just plain smart, maybe both...
1. Clark is 5 years in so by your own criteria you don't have but about 20% of the proof you need to call him a bad owner.

2. The Chiefs contended for a SB in 2003, 9 years ago, 13-3 #1 seed, great QB and home field. Sorry that IS competing for a trophy. That team should and could have won a playoff game.

So by your own criteria Hunt ownership isn't a failure.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:58 PM   #319
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:59 PM   #320
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That too...
Dude you are contradicting yourself.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:00 PM   #321
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all u turds will be hatin' chunt once pioli resigns quinn to be our starter next year and drafts some tweedledick project qb to be 3rd string. dlineman with our first pick. chunt will be like Ya great job scott lemme get back to all the other businesses I dont give 100% effort to
Yeah if those things happen he will deserve the hate.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:02 PM   #322
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How much do you think Robert Kraft's football IQ matters to the Patriots?
yes, i do. and the proof is in the pudding. kraft is a ****ing football genius compared to clark.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:02 PM   #323
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:02 PM   #324
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Read what my post was in response to. There are clearly good owners and bad owners. But the good owners aren't ones with good "football IQ". Or that is to say that their football IQ isn't the difference maker. They aren't making decisions about personnel. You think Kraft tells Bellichek what to do? Kraft has influence on how the team is run overall and that's not about football IQ. You don't need to know the game of football at a high level to be a good NFL owner. That was my point.
I agree.. But he did know enough about football to give the man who is football guy the final say in personnel decisions. It can be risky, but even if not in front of the camera, he stayed close enough to the two (BB and SP) to make sure shit-for-brains SP didn't F-up the club like he has KC. I'm sure when SP got to KC he made sure CHunt gave him the final say.. And Chunt never dug deep enough to figure out just how important SP not having the final say was... I'm no big fan of Haley, but I'd love for him to spill his guts TOTALLY in the near future... I know it won't happen, but it would be a great read.

At a minimum CHunt is certainly left wondering WTF he let happen! Kraft just laughs and says, "stick around kid, you have a lot to learn about the game, and you just got gamed..." Maybe not...
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:05 PM   #325
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yes, i do. and the proof is in the pudding. kraft is a ****ing football genius compared to clark.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:07 PM   #326
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yes, i do. and the proof is in the pudding. kraft is a ****ing football genius compared to clark.
I see the results being because he is a smart owner that got his HC/GM hire right. I don't think its about his actual knowledge of football. Oh, and Tom Brady.

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I agree.. But he did know enough about football to give the man who is football guy the final say in personnel decisions. It can be risky, but even if not in front of the camera, he stayed close enough to the two (BB and SP) to make sure shit-for-brains SP didn't F-up the club like he has KC. I'm sure when SP got to KC he made sure CHunt gave him the final say.. And Chunt never dug deep enough to figure out just how important SP not having the final say was... I'm no big fan of Haley, but I'd love for him to spill his guts TOTALLY in the near future... I know it won't happen, but it would be a great read.

At a minimum CHunt is certainly left wondering WTF he let happen! Kraft just laughs and says, "stick around kid, you have a lot to learn about the game, and you just got gamed..." Maybe not...
That is the one grey area I think is justifiable with getting on Clark about. Him not knowing anything about Arrowhead Anxiety ect. I still think Clark deserves this off season before we panic but I would have liked him to be hovering around Pioli just a little bit more.

That being said, if you are going to credit Kraft for being smart enough to let BB do his thing, Clark did the same with Pioli. Just happens that BB isn't the idiot that Pioli is. Oh, and Tom Brady.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:09 PM   #327
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People are jealous of anyone born into wealth, so they want to say they didn't "earn" their $ so they have to be dumb and lazy because they didn't work for it.

**** I would love to have been born into wealth but I am not going to judge a guy who appears to have done nothing but work his whole life.

If Clark had wanted to he could be doing jack and shit, instead he works for a living. His involvement at the front of the CBA negotiations wasn't mandatory. If the other owners thought he was dumb I doubt they would have been too keen on that.

31 billionaires > in knowledge than CP or a NYP sports writer.
nobody is hating on rich kids. clark hasn't done well. in fact, he's really pissed a lot of fans off. so, there's that.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:11 PM   #328
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:12 PM   #329
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nobody is hating on rich kids. clark hasn't done well. in fact, he's really pissed a lot of fans off. so, there's that.
A guy in this thread certainly was doing that. Chiefsforlife58 or whatever.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:12 PM   #330
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and so, what? kraft is "lucky" ???? well then, clark is unlucky.

I think kraft worked his ass off to become the owner of the pats -- he worked for that.

clark? no. he has failed as an NFL owner also. so, there's that.
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