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Old 12-06-2012, 11:32 AM  
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Goodell considering doing away with kickoffs

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When the NFL changed the line of scrimmage for kickoffs to increase touchbacks, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick derisively said that it was only a matter of time before the NFL eliminated kickoffs entirely. He believed that's what the NFL wanted to do.

Belichick might wind up being proven right.

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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that he's taken it under consideration to remove the kickoff entirely.

"It's an off-the-wall idea. It's different and makes you think differently. It did me," Goodell told TIME in a cover story for the Dec. 17 issue.

Even more intriguing is an alternative concept promoted by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano. Goodell met with the NFL competition committee chairman about the concept.

"After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs."

It's an interesting idea. We haven't seen the numbers that punts are that much safer than kickoffs, but the NFL must have the data to support the notion if they were considering it.

The implications for strategy are even more intriguing. If a team is trailing by more than one score very late in the fourth quarter, they likely would to try to go for it on fourth-and-15 instead of punting. That's not an easy situation to convert, but the concept would still make it easier to make a comeback without ever giving the ball back to an opponent.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:32 AM   #211
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I don't really understand the outrage.

You're removing a kickoff, which almost ALWAYS ends in a touchback and the offense starting at the 20 yard line, and replacing it with a punt from the 30, which will almost ALWAYS end in a return and potentially an exciting play.

I think it's a GREAT IDEA.
Hey, here's another GREAT IDEA. Just change it back to the way it was.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:34 AM   #212
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Hey, here's another GREAT IDEA. Just change it back to the way it was.
That's not gonna happen.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:43 AM   #213
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and while we're at it....get rid of the retarded 2:00 warning.
that seems completely pointless IMO.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:14 AM   #214
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Honestly, the NFL has already eliminated defenses. It makes sense that they would now eliminate special teams. The league today is nothing but quarterbacks playing catch with receivers, and the best quarterbacks win the championship, dragging the other 52 players along with them.

I really, really wish they would roll back some of the rules that are ruining the game.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:21 AM   #215
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Honestly, the NFL has already eliminated defenses. It makes sense that they would now eliminate special teams. The league today is nothing but quarterbacks playing catch with receivers, and the best quarterbacks win the championship, dragging the other 52 players along with them.

I really, really wish they would roll back some of the rules that are ruining the game.
Ditto.

But until they do it would be nice if our team even considered taking a QB in teh first two rounds to...you know...COMPETE...
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:25 AM   #216
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Honestly, the NFL has already eliminated defenses. It makes sense that they would now eliminate special teams. The league today is nothing but quarterbacks playing catch with receivers, and the best quarterbacks win the championship, dragging the other 52 players along with them.

I really, really wish they would roll back some of the rules that are ruining the game.
It will never happen. There's millions, if not billions, of dollars in looming liability lawsuits on the horizon.

Football in the intermediate future is going to be a shell of what it is even today, IF we have football at all.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:27 AM   #217
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:32 AM   #218
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I think it's a GREAT IDEA.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:35 AM   #219
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the problem here is there is a lot of players around the league that strictly make a living off special teams and kick off and kick return squads.

like whole careers. whether its a kick returner getting a chance to make a name for himself because hes a fast player who is last on the depth chart at WR, CB, HB, etc or a LBer buried as 5th string but can run down and make a tackle every game on kickoff, to maybe the situational young kicker who can kick the ball 100 yards with no accuracy and cant beat out the 45 year old guy on the team who makes field goals but cant kick more than 30 yards.

essentially youd be cutting team rosters down to like 35-40 some guys. You wouldnt even need 53 players, plus a practice squad anymore. Essentially a whole new system. Taking away special teams eliminates 3rd string players on NFL rosters
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:07 PM   #220
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It invites a whole new strategy.

It isn't any different than deciding between an onside kick or a regular kickoff.

Except that it actually gives the recieving team a CHANCE TO MAKE A PLAY.
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the problem here is there is a lot of players around the league that strictly make a living off special teams and kick off and kick return squads.

like whole careers. whether its a kick returner getting a chance to make a name for himself because hes a fast player who is last on the depth chart at WR, CB, HB, etc or a LBer buried as 5th string but can run down and make a tackle every game on kickoff, to maybe the situational young kicker who can kick the ball 100 yards with no accuracy and cant beat out the 45 year old guy on the team who makes field goals but cant kick more than 30 yards.

essentially youd be cutting team rosters down to like 35-40 some guys. You wouldnt even need 53 players, plus a practice squad anymore. Essentially a whole new system. Taking away special teams eliminates 3rd string players on NFL rosters
You're not eliminating special teams. You're replacing a kickoff with a punt.

Did anybody even look at what was being proposed?
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Whoa hey, loogit who's gracing the cover of this week's Time magazine: your friend and Peter King's, Roger Goodell. Sean Gregory has a lengthy profile of the NFL commissioner in this week's issue, and it contains the usual bits of hagiography (he keeps in shape! his daddy didn't like Vietnam, and that kind of integrity is clearly hereditary!), along with Goodell bravely congratulating himself for having the balls to make the game safer in the face of a supposedly stern opposition ("I don't do things for public relations," he says. "I do things because they're the right thing to do, because I love the game."). If you think Goodell is a small-minded authoritarian hypocrite—as I do, because it's true—the piece will make you wonder how people could still be carrying water for this asshole. A reminder: This is the commissioner who was willing to nuke a season if he couldn't take more money out of his players' pockets and who saddled another one with clown refs simply for the sake of ideological purity. That's how much Roger Goodell loves the game.

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Even in high school, Goodell enforced a personal-conduct policy. Bronxville High School required athletes to sign a pledge: No drinking or troublemaking, or they'd be booted off the team. The other players knew Goodell would rat them out for misbehaving. "They didn't like to see me come to a party," says Goodell. "I took that pledge seriously."

Holy shit, he's Coach Conrad's mole! He's a ****ing NARC! And not only was Goodell a narc in high school, but he's apparently PROUD of it! What kind of horrible human being looks back on his high school days and thinks, "Boy, that sure was fun when I told on Bobby for drinking Thunderbird behind the equipment shed!"? You can take as many thoughtful-statesman cover shots of Goodell as you like; it still won't cover up the fact that THIS is the man currently in charge of football's future: a hired goon, a glorified lackey who will "protect" the integrity of a sport that has none to begin with by shoving all liability for the health of the players onto the players themselves. Unreal. The guy enforced a ****ing pledge. It's time we all summon our inner Randall "Pink" Floyd. We might play ball, commissioner. But we will never sign that. LET'S ROCK N ROLL.
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You're not eliminating special teams. You're replacing a kickoff with a punt.

Did anybody even look at what was being proposed?
you understand the difference between a punt and a kickoff yes?

like the difference between 10 different roster spots id guess.
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so he's a rat. no surprise here.
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