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Old 12-08-2012, 03:28 PM  
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The Direckshun Grand Bargain

YAY: 2
NAY: 25

(Last time totaled up: 12:43am on December 10)

After perusing several different budget control plans, from Boehner's proposal to Obama's proposal, Simpson-Bowles and plans from various liberal, conservative, and independent think tanks, this is the plan I've cobbled together that I think would responsibly cut the deficit over the next decade and perhaps beyond.

What I want you to do: vote. But your vote must be on the totality of DGB -- any statement where you say you'll vote on this "except for" this part or that part will be considered a "no" vote.

You are welcome, as always, to pick it apart and do your thing, but your post will be construed as a yes or a no vote based on my interpreation, and added to the vote totals accumulated in the vote totals at the top of the OP.

"DGB" will be the abbreviation for the Direckshun Grand Bargain from here on out.

THE DIRECKSHUN GRAND BARGAIN (6 trillion)
  • Should reduce our debt by 60% by 2040.
  • Will raise the debt limit an appropriate amount, but will otherwise not change how the debt limit is handled.
  • All estimates are for 2013-2022, but DGB auto-renews every decade unless Congress acts.
  • All these savings will result in $850 billion saved in interest that won't have to be paid.
  • Would make the "fiscal year" two calendar years.
  • Does assume some costs of already existing cuts and new taxes.
Mandatory Spending Cuts (over 300 billion):
  • Reduce farm subsidies. (20 billion)
  • Savings on government (& military) pensions, largely by saying you can vest sooner but must collect later, reforming COLA payments and making federal workers pay more into the pension. (70 billion)
  • Increase spending on integrity programs for programs with improper payment problems (Medicare & disability). (should save 30 billion eventually)
  • Miscellaneous cuts (150 billion)
  • Measure inflation better. (50 billion)
Discretionary Spending Cuts (2.2 trillion):
  • Reduce defense spending by 1.3 trillion (closing 1/3 military bases, cut down on contractors as well as their compensation).
  • All of the cuts from the Budget Conrol Act of 2011 will be enforced. (900 billion)
Revenue Increases (2.5 trillion):
  • Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. (1.1 trillion)
  • Tax reform: repeal AMT, capital gains and dividends are taxed as normal income, repeal state and local taxes, cafeteria plans, and many kinds of itemized deductions, and drastically reduce deductions on charity.
  • No more mortgage deduction for 2nd homes, homes worth more than 500k, or HELOCs.
  • Reduce income tax exclusion for employer healthcare.
  • Three tax rates: 15%, 25%, and 39%, raising taxes on the rich while broadening the base, and simplifies the code.
  • These pieces of tax reform, put together, will add up to 1.25 trillion.
  • Raise the gas tax $0.15 in 2013. (150 billion)
  • Adjust how the government measures inflation to a more accurate measure. (90 billion)
Healthcare & Social Security (850 billion):
  • Obamacare's shifting payment schemes that compensate doctors less, improve efficiency, and shift the healthcare system to a system that compensates on quality, not quantity.
  • Tort reform, including paying lawyers less.
  • Close the Medicare donut hole.
  • Improve Medicare's cost sharing.
  • Identify additional $200 billion in federal healthcare spending by 2020.
  • Improve some social security benefits, in particular minimum payments for people with lifetime minimum wage jobs and helping out the oldest retirees. (This will actually cost around 50 billion.)
  • Raise social security age to 67.
  • Increase the maximum at which you can tax somebody for social security (200+ billion).
  • Measure inflation better for social security (150 billion).
Do your worst. Poll forthcoming.

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:44 PM   #31
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Shows what heshe doesn't know. Home prices in all of the liberal bastions are well north of that $500k mark i.e. CA, MN, NY, IL, NJ, MA etc. He/she wants to clip the mortgage dedution for those folks altogether. Like buying a $500k house in those areas makes you wealthy. On top that he wantes to eliminate the mortgage deduction on second homes which are likely rental homes, which are likely homes for lower income families. Go for it, alienate your base dummy. That is a "No"

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:45 PM   #32
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:46 PM   #33
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Appreciate your effort and thought; but everyone needs to feel the pain of reform. Why just the 2% when 51% don't pay income tax?

No real entitlement cuts.

Fair flat tax.
The 2% don't pay the same percentage of payroll taxes that support social security and medicare either, should we even up the playing field there too?
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:53 PM   #34
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The 2% don't pay the same percentage of payroll taxes that support social security and medicare either, should we even up the playing field there too?
No. Those aren't supposed to be welfare programs.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:50 PM   #35
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You have to phase in defense cuts. I would start by closing a lot of oversees bases. We have a ridiculous amount and it's unnecessary. Probably expand certain oversees bases for better staging areas and others in better quick strike positions but close a lot of the unnecessary ones. I was in Korea at 5 separate bases, also Italy at a few. There are definitely some bases to close.


You want to keep a lot of the military spending on building new tech, etc. to keep the jobs in America there but slowly phase out unnecessary ones.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:54 PM   #36
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Another useless poll when we all know what the outcome will be.

Anyone with half a brain would be stupid to ever agree with Direkshun on anything in this forum.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:19 PM   #37
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:11 AM   #38
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your plan would appear to be an example of what a compromise should be in that nobody will like it in the end...

my main objection is to immediate and severe spending cuts that might drive us into recession again...

i'd rather not give up the bush tax cuts and payroll tax holiday or other middle class breaks either...

and i worry about the impact on the poor, particularly the working poor...

there are other things i could quibble about, but overall it seems to be a good plan and at the very least should be a good framework for negotiations...
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:06 AM   #39
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We need to abolish income based taxes and move toward consumption taxes for the bulk of the taxes at some point.

Big greedy business with yachts and planes? Pay fat taxes on all that consumption...

Small lean business with thrift store furniture and low consumption...pay very little.


Income taxes are inherently unfair and counter productive....not only that , for business it is a disincentive.

Close all loopholes and have a pure consumption based system.

Want an xbox and an iphone for your brats even though you are on welfare?....Pay taxes...Want to tinker with an old sega genesis from a thrift store and show your family the value of a dollar? Pay zero.

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We need to abolish income based taxes and move toward consumption taxes for the bulk of the taxes at some point.

Big greedy business with yachts and planes? Pay fat taxes on all that consumption...

Small lean business with thrift store furniture and low consumption...pay very little.


Income taxes are inherently unfair and counter productive....not only that , for business it is a disincentive.

Close all loopholes and have a pure consumption based system.

Want an xbox and an iphone for your brats even though you are on welfare?....Pay taxes...Want to tinker with an old sega genesis from a thrift store and show your family the value of a dollar? Pay zero.

Easy.
This is a proposal I could vote "yay" on.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:07 AM   #41
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I'm counting go bowe as a very tepid yay.

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Old 12-10-2012, 10:05 AM   #42
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What's more batshit crazy: the OP or the fact that Dave Loon voted in favor of it?
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Appreciate your effort and thought; but everyone needs to feel the pain of reform. Why just the 2% when 51% don't pay income tax?

No real entitlement cuts.

Fair flat tax.
There is no such thing as a fair flat tax. Any flat tax will greatly reduce rates being charged to the highest earners while charging the poor money they cannot give up. Its a fairy tale that people don't pay taxes, even the poor. There is sales tax, social security and medicare taxes for the poor, property tax on the middle class. Most states will have people paying income taxes even when they are paying zero federal.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:55 AM   #45
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There is no such thing as a fair flat tax. Any flat tax will greatly reduce rates being charged to the highest earners while charging the poor money they cannot give up. Its a fairy tale that people don't pay taxes, even the poor. There is sales tax, social security and medicare taxes for the poor, property tax on the middle class. Most states will have people paying income taxes even when they are paying zero federal.
Greatly reducing rates on people who pay way more than their fair share and charging people more who pay far less than their fair share is fair. It's a fairy tale that low income people in the US can't afford to pay more in taxes. Arguing about what is fair is pretty silly since opinions about what it means vary so dramatically.

Whether you agree or not, a broad-based, flat tax would be (a) more transparent, (b) more efficient at generating revenue, (c) less economically distorting and (d) better at focusing political will on the real budget problems facing our country.
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