SCOTUS to take on allowing Gays to marry. What say you?

[BigRedChief]

There are two cases(DOMA and Proposition 8) to be heard by the SCOTUS this session.

At the base of the question is do gay Americans have the same rights as heterosexual Americans? And if so, do they need their constitutional rights protected at the federal level.

I've never had an openly gay friend, co-worker or family member. I did coach a little league baseball team. On that team I had a player with two Mom's. The players and the parents accepted the kid of the two Mom's as any other player. The other parents let their kids go over to the two Mom's house for sleepovers etc. It wasn't a factor to consider in the slightest.

I don't have any personal experience to know what rights is actually being denied. However, I believe that for whatever reason they were born that way. It's not a choice. You can't pray it out of them. You can't give them therapy and turn them into heterosexuals. They are what they are naturally and we should just accept them.

IMHO, the government/city/state/society have no right to tell it's citizens what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. some of our citizens who they can and who they can't love. Who they can and can't marry. History will not be kind to the discrimination of gays, with cause. It's time to end this era of gay discrimination.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

To shut their damned mothers up.

Serious answer: It's just another thing that government stuck its nose into for no compelling reason, IMO.

Exactly right. The government is sticking its nose into a individual personal life. Telling them you cant marry the person you love. They need to GTFO of citizens love life's.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Exactly right. The government is sticking its nose into a individual personal life. Telling them you cant marry the person you love. They need to GTFO of citizens love life's.

Where did you hear that?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why do you want to reject science and base policy on your beliefs? Isn't that supposed to be the province of those extreme right wing bible beaters?

My theory is that sexual preference might as well be congenital because it doesn't seem to be a conscious decision, but I recognize that science hasn't established the cause (nature vs nurture) at this point.

Of course I'm not up to speed on the science of being gay. I've already admitted I have very little real life experience even being around gays. But, thats not really relevant for me to know. They have just as much right to love and marry whoever they fall in love with.

Being bi-sexual is a choice. Enjoying licking a women's feet, getting off on red heads are a choice, a preference/choice.

Being "really" gay, knowing you are gay since you were in elementary school, visualize growing old together with a member of the same sex, sex with a member of the opposite sex is gross to you, loving a person of the same sex forever is not a choice.

I have no clue why a man would think having a penis in your ass is a pleasurable thing. The thought is completly foregin to me. Thats why we have treated them differently in the past. We can't understand them.

But, we don't have to understand them. Make any sense out of it. They have the same rights as anyone else. And it's the only thing that makes sense to them.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Where did you hear that?

We had a freedom rally earlier. I'll post it on FaceBook next time.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

That is exactly what the rest of us want....amazing you agree with rednecks

Who's "the rest of us", dumbbell?

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

...They have just as much right to love and marry whoever they fall in love with...

Now, that's BS. Government isn't involved in love. They're involved in legal contacts. They protect all such contracts perfectly equally under the law as it already stands.

Love.

Right.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Irony is how Direckshun supports gay rights, while cheering for everyone in the ME who also want to behead and torture those people who support gay rights, womens rights, westerners, youtube videos and almost everything else in between. Go figure.

You are driven by fear of the ME. It is all you rant about.

Good luck with that.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Being bi-sexual is a choice. Enjoying licking a women's feet, getting off on red heads are a choice, a preference/choice.

Being "really" gay, knowing you are gay since you were in elementary school, visualize growing old together with a member of the same sex, sex with a member of the opposite sex is gross to you, loving a person of the same sex forever is not a choice..

Amazing how, not being up on 'the science' you've formed such rigid dichotomies.

I've long held that, personally, I'm so heterosexual that my only thoughts regarding dudes is the amount of tail they pull [ie., Usher's six-pack and dance moves merely makes me jealous of his success with the ladies]. I recall as an early EARLY teen looking at Swayze in Dirty Dancing and being fixated on how smitten Jennifer Grey [one of my first crushes] was on the dance floor, 100% my sole focus.

But I can envision a rebellious streak and sense of community evoking provocative intimate bonds very much like public sex or fetishes.

I can also envision individuals who have simply formed natural attractions to the same sex, bro-ing out with a healthy side-dish of lust for masculinity in guys, or sisterhood not so much centered on sex as kin spirits

[go bowe]

Originally Posted by nstygma

allow anyone to marry anyone. allow muslims and mormons to have multiple wives, not to exceed 40. allow siblings to marry. allow people to marry inanimate objects and animals. who cares what happens behind closed doors?

i agree with all of this except the inanimate objects part...

as far as animals, have you seen frankie's pet goat?

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

You are driven by fear of the ME. It is all you rant about.

Good luck with that.

I know you are a dumbass so I will type slowly for you, ok?

It is in a large portion of his threads there stevie wonder. He lets everyone know who he supports and how he feels about it; cause it's in his ****ing avatar you moran. Maybe you should take a picture of it?

So in every post we are reminded of who supports, hense the ****ing irony, dipshit.

[nstygma]

Originally Posted by go bowe

i agree with all of this except the inanimate objects part...

as far as animals, have you seen frankie's pet goat?

i haven't, is she(or he?) sexay? speaking of frankie, where has our 2nd favorite DC muslim been?

[go bowe]

Originally Posted by nstygma

i haven't, is she(or he?) sexay? speaking of frankie, where has our 2nd favorite DC muslim been?

it's not clear if the goat is a he or a she, but he/she has a nice ass...

wrt frankie, idk, i miss him though...

btw, who is our 1st favorite dc muslim?

[nstygma]

Originally Posted by go bowe

it's not clear if the goat is a he or a she, but he/she has a nice ass...

wrt frankie, idk, i miss him though...

btw, who is our 1st favorite dc muslim?

Direckshun i thought, albeit a secular one

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Now, that's BS. Government isn't involved in love. They're involved in legal contacts. They protect all such contracts perfectly equally under the law as it already stands.

Love.

Right.

You RWNJ's just don't get it. This isn't about contracts. It's about the constitution. About all men are created equally. That all citizens have a right to life, liberty and happiness.

It's not a hard concept to comprehend. The American people have moved on. They are ready for full equality for gay's. The R's are always on the wrong side of history. Slow to adapt to our changing society. Maybe this time, the R's won't try to block equality for gays. They will just move on like the rest of America has moved on.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You RWNJ's just don't get it. This isn't about contracts. It's about the constitution. About all men are created equally. That all citizens have a right to life, liberty and happiness.

It's not a hard concept to comprehend. The American people have moved on. They are ready for full equality for gay's. The R's are always on the wrong side of history. Slow to adapt to our changing society. Maybe this time, the R's won't try to block equality for gays. They will just move on like the rest of America has moved on.

You need a history lesson or two.