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View Poll Results: Should we allow gays the same rights as hetrosexuals?
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Leave it to the states. Not a federal issue. 17 18.09%
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:03 AM  
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SCOTUS to take on allowing Gays to marry. What say you?

There are two cases(DOMA and Proposition 8) to be heard by the SCOTUS this session.

At the base of the question is do gay Americans have the same rights as heterosexual Americans? And if so, do they need their constitutional rights protected at the federal level.

I've never had an openly gay friend, co-worker or family member. I did coach a little league baseball team. On that team I had a player with two Mom's. The players and the parents accepted the kid of the two Mom's as any other player. The other parents let their kids go over to the two Mom's house for sleepovers etc. It wasn't a factor to consider in the slightest.

I don't have any personal experience to know what rights is actually being denied. However, I believe that for whatever reason they were born that way. It's not a choice. You can't pray it out of them. You can't give them therapy and turn them into heterosexuals. They are what they are naturally and we should just accept them.

IMHO, the government/city/state/society have no right to tell it's citizens what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. some of our citizens who they can and who they can't love. Who they can and can't marry. History will not be kind to the discrimination of gays, with cause. It's time to end this era of gay discrimination.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:57 PM   #211
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Well first, God doesn't exist, so we can throw out the excess religion baggage.

There is one, and only one, reason to deny them the label marriage: and that is to publicly demean these "gross", "icky" gay relationships as some weird unacceptable second-tier below hetero marriage.
Why are you trying to force your religious beliefs on everyone?
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:58 PM   #212
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and here is the ROOT problem. **** government being involved in marriage at all. If you wanted to marry two women and a goat... it should be just another legal contract that you can call whatever you want. Call it marriage, call it your harem... but don't expect special treatment for it... regardless of whether you are straight, gay or a Raiders fan.
Exactly. Why does being married get you a tax break anyway? I want my equal rights, too. I'm divorced and single with no kids. My taxes aren't any different than a gay man. Why do I have to pay more than a married man? Why do I have to pay for schools for his children?
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:01 PM   #213
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Exactly. Why does being married get you a tax break anyway? I want my equal rights, too. I'm divorced and single with no kids. My taxes aren't any different than a gay man. Why do I have to pay more than a married man? Why do I have to pay for schools for his children?
Then you should have the same opinion as I do on this...

As long as you are giving special treatment to straight married coupled you have to extend it to all "married" couples... today that means gays. There is no chance we will be able to get rid of marriage benefits without political upheaval... so my solution is to extend those benefits to EVERYONE. I have no problem with us starting with the gays. Next up.. polygamists!
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:21 PM   #214
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Then you should have the same opinion as I do on this...

As long as you are giving special treatment to straight married coupled you have to extend it to all "married" couples... today that means gays. There is no chance we will be able to get rid of marriage benefits without political upheaval... so my solution is to extend those benefits to EVERYONE. I have no problem with us starting with the gays. Next up.. polygamists!
I don't give a **** what gays do. Really, I don't.

But they might get farther in their attempt to get their tax break if they weren't trying to take on God. Call it a civil union, get your tax break, and shut the **** up.

But they want to stick it in all the major religions of the world's asses and piss them off along the way. So instead of just one side of the argument having a meltdown over a ****ing word, both sides have a meltdown over a ****ing word.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #215
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But they might get farther in their attempt to get their tax break if they weren't trying to take on God. Call it a civil union, get your tax break, and shut the **** up.
Nah. Think they're just going to continue to fight for equality and the religious nuts are just going to have to learn to live with it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #216
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They already have the same rights. I think you're asking about special rights, since you put the word "gay" before the word "rights." Rights are rights—nothing gay about them.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:26 PM   #217
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Then you should have the same opinion as I do on this...

As long as you are giving special treatment to straight married coupled you have to extend it to all "married" couples... today that means gays. There is no chance we will be able to get rid of marriage benefits without political upheaval... so my solution is to extend those benefits to EVERYONE. I have no problem with us starting with the gays. Next up.. polygamists!
polygamists don't even get consideration in these discussions, which is absurb. why not all or none?
i was wondering though, why did the tax breaks for married people appear in the first place? does government try to promote certain behaviors that they deem healthy for the country, by giving monetary incentive?
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:27 PM   #218
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Poll is not properly framing the argument. Sure it's a state issue and not a federal. But they do have the same rights.
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I don't give a **** what gays do. Really, I don't.

But they might get farther in their attempt to get their tax break if they weren't trying to take on God. Call it a civil union, get your tax break, and shut the **** up.

But they want to stick it in all the major religions of the world's asses and piss them off along the way. So instead of just one side of the argument having a meltdown over a ****ing word, both sides have a meltdown over a ****ing word.

Which church do gays want to force to marry them?
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:32 PM   #220
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Nah. Think they're just going to continue to fight for equality and the religious nuts are just going to have to learn to live with it.
Then they aren't really fighting for equality, they are fighting to change the definition of a word. Seems like a petty reason.
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Then they aren't really fighting for equality, they are fighting to change the definition of a word. Seems like a petty reason.
No, they're not. The definition of the word is unchanged.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:38 PM   #223
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Then they aren't really fighting for equality, they are fighting to change the definition of a word. Seems like a petty reason.
How's it petty? Fifty years ago should we have defined interracial marriages as "interracial civil unions"?

People want equal treatment. If a church wants to keep their definition of marriage, whatever that is, than more power to them. The state has different interests than religions.
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How's it petty? Fifty years ago should we have defined interracial marriages as "interracial civil unions"?

People want equal treatment. If a church wants to keep their definition of marriage, whatever that is, than more power to them. The state has different interests than religions.
I'm not your enemy on this issue. I'm just saying that perhaps an approach that doesn't include the sentiment "**** you and your religion" might get you farther.
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I'm not your enemy on this issue. I'm just saying that perhaps an approach that doesn't include the sentiment "**** you and your religion" might get you farther.
Well it's not like all of the states are running out to pass civil union laws either. I think the gay rights movement has made the decision to seek equal treatment, and I don't begrudge that position, even if it means they must wait longer.

But I don't see much of a difference anymore. I'd have to see polling data, but I suspect those in favor of gay marriage and those in favor civil unions are starting to converge. Nate Silver had an interesting blog post today on the polling trends...
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