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Old 12-11-2012, 08:59 AM  
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2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

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Old 07-18-2013, 05:30 PM   #7246
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I can assure you, that back in the 1980's I dangled Wong in St. Louis on many occasions....
Glad someone took that bait.

P.S. Dayton Moore is one astoundingly stupid mother****er.
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:57 PM   #7247
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:20 PM   #7248
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I don't know if the Cards really will dangle Wong, but it's a possibility. And he's a 2B who is ranked in the right range to make it worth KC's while to deal Santana.

KC MUST get a prospect valuable enough to dump the chance at a comp pick for Santana.
Wong doesn't really have a spot in STL right now, with Carpenter being what he's been and projecting what he does.

If Carpenter could hit 25 HR's I'd put him at 3rd, move Wong up and move right along. However, he can't so Wong is expendable.

I was actually thinking about a deal involving Wong to KC today. WIth you guys dearth of talent at 2b anywhere, I think he'd be a good idea in KC. But I was thinking alot bigger.

Depending what happens with you guys the next couple weeks, if things bottom out, I'd send Wong, Wacha, and anyone else you wanted outside of anyone with the big club now and Taveras to KC for Shields.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:11 PM   #7250
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:54 PM   #7251
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:08 PM   #7252
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:41 AM   #7254
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Wong doesn't really have a spot in STL right now, with Carpenter being what he's been and projecting what he does.

If Carpenter could hit 25 HR's I'd put him at 3rd, move Wong up and move right along. However, he can't so Wong is expendable.

I was actually thinking about a deal involving Wong to KC today. WIth you guys dearth of talent at 2b anywhere, I think he'd be a good idea in KC. But I was thinking alot bigger.

Depending what happens with you guys the next couple weeks, if things bottom out, I'd send Wong, Wacha, and anyone else you wanted outside of anyone with the big club now and Taveras to KC for Shields.
Dayton Moore cannot trade James Shields. It would be career suicide unless the return for him was overwhelming.

He would HAVE to get Taveras back from St. Louis to consider the deal. And it would probably have to be Taveras + something else.

Not saying St. Louis SHOULD offer that, saying that's what it would take to get him or to make it worth KC's while.
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THoughts on the return of the Getz...

This is Dayton Moore at his worst.

Chris Getz is a bad to terrible major league player. I know it. You know it. Anyone who follows the game with an eye on stats knows it.

He might be a great guy. He might be a real strong Christian. He might like going hunting with Ned Yost and Frenchy in the offseason, and Jon Broxton, too. He might try really hard and grind and be a great clubhouse example.

But the guy's attributes end there.

This is Dayton Moore at his worst.

His extreme loyalty to players who have shown not only that they are not GOOD major league players, but in fact are BAD major league players (Horacio Ramirez, Kyle Davies, Luke Hochevar, Jeff Francoeur, Ross Gload, Chris Getz) is by far his biggest failing (and I don't say that lightly).

When Dayton Moore is gone in two years and he is sitting back and wondering where it went wrong, this should be a big part of the realization. But it won't...

Because this is Dayton Moore at his worst.
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:54 AM   #7256
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Welp, when the first (and usually only) answer to failure is, "you're trying too hard and over-thinking it", you tend to get weak minds.

I'm not lost on the concept of over-thinking a putt in golf - I can connect those theoretical dots - but this ain't golf and rarely does a golfer miss the ball, they simply miss the hole. I'd be happy if when our guys over-thought their shit and followed it up with trying to hard, they'd actually make contact the the ****ing ball!

So, like it was years ago, it's still time to tell these guys to be scared because you'll fire them (and then fire a few), and tell them when they fail, they need to try even harder. Take MANY more hours of BP, study the ****ing game, neglect you family (like the rest of the world does in this day and age!), and get in the ****ing gym and don't come out until you're a ****ing beast. Essentially live and breath THIS GAME and every possible aspect of it, forsake all else, for the glory of the game and the glory of becoming an idol.... And if you juice, make sure you're two steps ahead of testers. But let them know it's fully supported. For it, for that time you spend in bed each night, you can have a different hot chick to fulfill your desires - and that's what it's all about at that age. Spend 10-12 years as a stud, then go back and find one of those hot chicks, marry her, have 2.5 kids and ride off into the sunset at a loved hero instead of somebody who was/is a joke who played (badly) for the Royals...

Try that mindset for 7 years and let's see where it gets us!
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:02 AM   #7257
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Dayton Moore cannot trade James Shields. It would be career suicide unless the return for him was overwhelming.

He would HAVE to get Taveras back from St. Louis to consider the deal. And it would probably have to be Taveras + something else.

Not saying St. Louis SHOULD offer that, saying that's what it would take to get him or to make it worth KC's while.
For the discussion of Moore, yeah probably so after what he gave up to get Shields, to trade him a half year later would likely mean the guy is moving on.

However, I don't necessarily think Shields is a lockdown #1 so I wouldn't be moving Tavares for that, when I could potentially give up Tavares plus for Cliff Lee.

My main reasoning for said trade was dependent on if the Royals thought they were going to be able to re sign Shields or if they thought he was walking after next season. If he's walking, I don't necessarily think you can get too picky, but you can also just let him play it out here in KC then walk and take the pick.

Although, in said trade, you could potentially get your 2b for the next decade, a mid rotation guy in Wacha, and whatever else you wanted in the trade.

In the end though, It's not a move Moore or the Royals would or likely could make.
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For the discussion of Moore, yeah probably so after what he gave up to get Shields, to trade him a half year later would likely mean the guy is moving on.

However, I don't necessarily think Shields is a lockdown #1 so I wouldn't be moving Tavares for that, when I could potentially give up Tavares plus for Cliff Lee.

My main reasoning for said trade was dependent on if the Royals thought they were going to be able to re sign Shields or if they thought he was walking after next season. If he's walking, I don't necessarily think you can get too picky, but you can also just let him play it out here in KC then walk and take the pick.

Although, in said trade, you could potentially get your 2b for the next decade, a mid rotation guy in Wacha, and whatever else you wanted in the trade.

In the end though, It's not a move Moore or the Royals would or likely could make.
I think Wacha is hype machine, BTW, too. I didn't like him much coming out of the draft, and I think he tops out as a No. 3 or 4 starter in the major leagues.

Part of me almost hopes Dayton Moore makes the move. It would be the last nail in his coffin.
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It just depends with Wacha. If he develops a 3rd plus pitch, he could be a solid 2 fringe 1, but thats highly unlikely.

I think he's a 3,4 like you said. He's got the potential to be a solid innings eater.
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We could dump James' 20M onto owners who care about winning. Don't forget that part of it. Just like we dumped Zack's 27M onto Milwaukee and took back 2 turds in Cain/Escobar. As it's now obvious to all, that was not a "talent deal'. It was another Glass salary dump.
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